Let war resisters stay in Canada, U.S. protesters say
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sandorski @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:18 pm
Regina Regina:
sandorski sandorski:
Regina Regina:
romanP romanP:
mtbr mtbr:
Send them back ...it's a voluntary military why did they enlist if they thought they might have to fight?
Probably because they signed up to to defend their country, not to be flown to another country to shoot people who were not a threat to theirs, and then have to defend that country too.
What a pile of crap.........
Really?
You think they should be sent off to War, just because?
Regina @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:22 pm
Answer my question first.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:38 pm
Regina Regina:
I wasn't even referring to the American army, because you'd have to be really stupid to think you were going to be trained as a soldier and collect pay all the while living in your parents basement. Bart has served in the US military and could probably be more specific as to what anyone signs up for......and why.
Honestly, I signed up as a means to escape a very nasty life at home. I'd been offered a scholarship in physics at the University of Arizona and in order to stymie that my father refused to file his taxes. Without his tax records I was not going to get the scholarship. I was also ineligible for financial aid as that also required his tax records.
Where he'd been a POW during WW2 and had quite the aversion to anything military joining the Marines then came as a logical decision as it got me out of the house, I got the college money I needed, and it pissed him off.
Lots of guys sign up for similar reasons. And once they get what they want they leave.
I happened to like it and stayed on in the Reserves and flipped back and forth from reserve to active several times.
I did lots of things I didn't like, I did lots of things I would not have otherwise done, but my opinion was not something that mattered when I freely signed up and then reupped several times thereafter.
When you join the military the only time they care about your opinion is when they want you to reup.
Period.
Other than that you do what you're told.
Regina @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:42 pm
So did you or would you have any illusions of staying at home and only defending your borders?
sasquatch2 @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:45 pm
Bart Simpson
$1:
When you join the military the only time they care about your opinion is when they want you to reup.
And after you sign, sometimes within seconds, you will be issued your opinion and life goals within a sealed envelope.
SprCForr @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:47 pm
sandorski sandorski:
"Combat" is really not the issue here, for all but 1 or 2 anyway(which IIRC didn't even come here but faced the consequences in the US). The Iraq War is a unique situation that most Americans would not have foreseen, because not only was it a full blown War, but it's Justification has never been grounded on anything concrete.
It still doesn't change the fact that there was still that potential when a person joins a military organization. There simply cannot be a guarentee that it won't happen. If a person doesn't want to expose themselves to that hazard, don't join. They joined by their own free will and agreed to the terms of the contract. If a troop feels that they cannot commit themselves (as they agreed they would), then there are mechanisms in place for him to make his point of view known. It isn't and never has been a requirement for a government to justify it's actions to the individual soldier's personal satisfaction. A soldier running away to Canada from an obligation they freely entered into isn't some noble act of protest. It's merely a cowardly attempt to escape punishment. Making the stand and facing the music is the noble protest.
Send everyone of them back.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:52 pm
Regina Regina:
So did you or would you have any illusions of staying at home and only defending your borders?
Hell no.
SigPig @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:53 pm
They signed up (voluntarily), they were told to go somewhere, they ran. If they didnt want to fight they joined the wrong organization. You should just throw your objections up the chain of command (thats what its there for) and hope for the best. If you still have to go, tough, it is the army after all, you fight.
Remember, you may not always agree with a mission but you are still supposed to do your job. And it doesn't matter when they joined whether it was before or after the Iraq war. You cant pick and choose once you sign up because it doesnt suit you at the time.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:53 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Bart Simpson
And after you sign, sometimes within seconds, you will be issued your opinion and life goals within a sealed envelope.
$1:
When you join the military the only time they care about your opinion is when they want you to reup.
And after you sign, sometimes within seconds, you will be issued your opinion and life goals within a sealed envelope.
They usually let you complete boot and MOS schools before that happens.
sandorski @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:57 pm
SprCForr SprCForr:
sandorski sandorski:
"Combat" is really not the issue here, for all but 1 or 2 anyway(which IIRC didn't even come here but faced the consequences in the US). The Iraq War is a unique situation that most Americans would not have foreseen, because not only was it a full blown War, but it's Justification has never been grounded on anything concrete.
It still doesn't change the fact that there was still that potential when a person joins a military organization. There simply cannot be a guarentee that it won't happen. If a person doesn't want to expose themselves to that hazard, don't join. They joined by their own free will and agreed to the terms of the contract. If a troop feels that they cannot commit themselves (as they agreed they would), then there are mechanisms in place for him to make his point of view known. It isn't and never has been a requirement for a government to justify it's actions to the individual soldier's personal satisfaction. A soldier running away to Canada from an obligation they freely entered into isn't some noble act of protest. It's merely a cowardly attempt to escape punishment. Making the stand and facing the music is the noble protest.
Send everyone of them back.
Of course they might get shipped out somewhere foreign. In fact, many actually signed up after 9/11 fully expecting to be shipped out to far away lands to Fight Terrorists. What they object to is to being shipped off to Iraq where not only were there no Terrorists, but that all the reasons the War was started has been based on BS.
SigPig @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:02 pm
sandorski sandorski:
SprCForr SprCForr:
sandorski sandorski:
"Combat" is really not the issue here, for all but 1 or 2 anyway(which IIRC didn't even come here but faced the consequences in the US). The Iraq War is a unique situation that most Americans would not have foreseen, because not only was it a full blown War, but it's Justification has never been grounded on anything concrete.
It still doesn't change the fact that there was still that potential when a person joins a military organization. There simply cannot be a guarentee that it won't happen. If a person doesn't want to expose themselves to that hazard, don't join. They joined by their own free will and agreed to the terms of the contract. If a troop feels that they cannot commit themselves (as they agreed they would), then there are mechanisms in place for him to make his point of view known. It isn't and never has been a requirement for a government to justify it's actions to the individual soldier's personal satisfaction. A soldier running away to Canada from an obligation they freely entered into isn't some noble act of protest. It's merely a cowardly attempt to escape punishment. Making the stand and facing the music is the noble protest.
Send everyone of them back.
Of course they might get shipped out somewhere foreign. In fact, many actually signed up after 9/11 fully expecting to be shipped out to far away lands to Fight Terrorists. What they object to is to being shipped off to Iraq where not only were there no Terrorists, but that all the reasons the War was started has been based on BS.
sure, it did blow for the average soldier when the US went into Iraq. Yes the premise was wrong and there were no terrorists or WMDs, just oil. However, It does not give you the right to just leave and back out of the contract that you signed. There are legitimate means to make your feelings known. Running to Canada is not one of them.
martin14 @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:04 pm
$1:
What they object to is to being shipped off to Iraq where not only were there no Terrorists, but that all the reasons the War was started has been based on BS.
well its BS according to you, and soldiers arent given the luxury
of picking and choosing where they go...
do you not understand that yet ???
SprCForr @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:06 pm
Again, there is not and has never been any obligation for a government to justify it's actions to the personal satisfaction of the individual troop.
sandorski @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:07 pm
Regina Regina:
Answer my question first.
Your question is rather stupid, but anyway.
Other than the "wooden guns", what would be wrong with that? Seriously. Of course(as my previous post states), the reality is that they would likely be shipped out once joining, but Iraq is a unique situation that very few imagined would happen. There comes a time when following orders is just not enough and Iraq just happens to be one of those times when People do a doubletake and ask WTF is going here. Many, the true Cowards, will just bite the bullet and do what they know is wrong. A few standup and refuse to be a part of it.
SigPig @ Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:08 pm
SprCForr SprCForr:
Again, there is not and has never been any obligation for a government to justify it's actions to the personal satisfaction of the individual troop.
very well put. couldn't have said it better myself.
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