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We msut protect the Pie race. Cakes are infirior and are the main reason that pie has any failures. Our pie is the solution to the cake problem.

   

That lack of respect for Native Canadians knows no borders. Granted, there's some of them who are exemplary and loyal Canadians and then there's the others who are so bad that American Indians bristle at any attempt to equate American Indians with Canadian Natives.

American Indians will almost always be the first to remind you that they are Americans first and Indians second.

Ironically, it is precisely their loyalty to a country that treated them so poorly for so long that has now reaped them untold rewards. In a scant twenty years Indians went from being the poorest demographic group in America to being the richest.

I know it sounds funny, but if you go to a US Indian casino the first thing you almost always see is the biggest damn US flag flying from a flag pole to put all others to shame.

I've said it before and I'll say it again that Canadian Natives & First Nations would get a lot more support from the other Canadians if they placed more emphasis on being Canadian and less emphasis on being a pain in Canada's collective ass the way the Bloc is.

It's easy to not want to help people who don't want to be part of your country except when their hand is out.

   

Oh, God....you're one of those!

I stay out of the Pie vs. Cake thing by pursuing the neutrality of the doughnut!

   

I thought those were still the J00z...

How DID you solve the native problem in America?

   

:lol:

I'm seeing that the slow process of Canadianisation is working on you there Bart, Don't Americans call it a "Donut"?

Next you'll be calling people hosers and throwing Timbits at people when you drive by...

   

Nope. The Jews never were the richest group although a disproportionate number of rich individuals were and are Jewish. Asians of Japanese descent took the top spot in the 1990 economic census and Indians took it way in the 2000 and 2005 economic censuses. The poorest individuals in America can still be found on a smattering of Indian reservations and rancherias but those numbers are quickly eroding as even those remaining groups get into the casino business or as the rich tribes reach out to share the wealth with the other tribes. The Indians do impress me with their generosity in helping out tribes that, in some cases, are historic adversaries. It's all very cool, IMHO.




Frankly, we were shamed into it.

In the late 1970's a band of the Arizona Navajo raised the money to build a ski resort on their own land and they did against the advice of the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA).

When the ski resort quickly became a raging success the BIA tried to move in on it to take it over and bring in some white management people to run it "for the Indians" when the whole thing was an overt scam to just steal it from them.

The Navajo threatened war.

Not a hemmorhoid of a blockade, but a no-sh*t war.

They even appealed to the UN and that caused the Federal Courts to hear their case as American citizens despite the protests of the BIA that only the BIA had any authority on Indian lands.

The result was the courts ruled that the Indians enjoyed certain sovereign rights on their lands and among those rights was the right to tell the BIA to get to hell off their land and leave them alone. The BIA ended up having to negotiate their role with not just the Navajo but with all of the tribes and the agency has now transformed from being an agency that controlled the Indians to being one that assists the Indians.

And then the Indians realized that they now had the right to open casinos on their lands, sell tax-free liquor and cigarettes, and run other businesses without government permissions.

They're like little free-trade zones all across America and they're making a bundle.

They're also (mostly) not hypocrites about it. Indian casinos are often noted for pumping tons of money into local charities and local governments even though they have no obligations to do so.

What's great here is that they are an example of capitalism and the free market triumphing over socialism and government regulation.

I remember the Auburn Band of Wintun Indians rancheria along Auburn-Folsom Road (near Sacramento) in the 1980s. It was a collection of small, decrepit old trailers and it looked like a bit of the Ozarks plunked down in the middle of what was even then an upscale area.

They didn't have access to water although a Pacific Gas & Electric Company aqueduct crossed their land.

They had no sewer connections even though the main sewer line from Auburn to Sacramento also crossed their land.

They didn't have electricity until 1988.

And now every last one of them makes more than $1,000,000 per year from their Thunder Valley Casino and their rancheria is pretty damn spiffy now as a gated community.

In the city of Lincoln they are the #1 employer and the #1 philanthropists. They bought the city all new fire equipment a few years ago, built a clinic where anyone can get free medical care, and they've rebuilt the high school. They are nicer to everyone else than everyone else was to them and people have nothing negative to say about them for the most part.

They're so nice you just have to like them.

And their big complaint about us was that we would not let them alone so they could succeed on their own. That didn't give us much to stand on.

And now Federal Law allows them to buy land on their own and to have that land declared as tribal land.

No land claims. No blockades. No demands for people to have to leave their homes. The Indians offer a fair price, buy the land, and then get to stay on it tax free.

We like them and they like us now. Problems solved.

   

Yep, I will be assimilated, eh?

   

I wonder if that would ever happen in Canada.

You know, before a Canadian civil war, hopefully.

   

:lol:

You're spending to much time with us Canucks for your own American good,

Soon you'll be trying to buy dinner with Canadian money... Drinking Canadian Rye, Addicted to a Blackberry...

And then you'll start cheering for a Canadian Hockey Team... (please Toronto please Toronto)

Then you'll start stealing Canadian Satellite to watch CBC at 2 AM.

   

Bart, below is a list of the websites for the groups of Native Americans. You may want to check with them before speaking for them. I doubt you will find any of them back up your claim.

http://www.firstnationsseeker.ca/





http://www.ecanned.com/2007/01/income-and-poverty-in-united-states.html

Bart, American Indians are nowhere near the richest demographic in America.

I suggest you do some research. You obviously have no f-ing clue what you are talking about.

   

If you look at our history you will see that this Mohawk claim is tenuous to say the least. One really should pause at one’s poor behaviour in the Forum.

This tract of land in dispute was ceded from a land grant given to a Mohawk Captain called John Culbertson who was in the British Army. The grant was subject to sale only on a vote by the then small Mohawk settlement.
The portion of tract disputed was owned by this Captain's grandson, John Culbertson who sold it off quite legally after it was left to him, not sold, therefore avoiding a Mohawk vote.

You should really check into history to see if your latest anti-heroes of choice actually are what they claim to be.

Clearly there are some issues with this land claim. If I was of United Empire Loyalist stock around Belleville and environs, I'd be looking to claim my ancestors land was sold illegally, just like the Mohawks claim.
What’s the difference? The Mohawks came up with the American Loyalists at the very same time.

These are not ancestral lands but the proceeds of siding with the British Empire in the Revolutionary war.
The Mohawks originate from what is now the US. Their ancestral lands are in the US. Claim what was the Mohawk’s land from the US.

God save the Queen. It's a fascist regime.

   

There is protest, and then there is criminal protest.

   

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