Nova Scotia lifts Sunday shopping ban
Blue_Nose @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:09 pm
fredzena fredzena:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Pappasan & Mommasan don't seam to have that problem here in Vancouver.
That's cause you people on the wet coast are special. More into the outdoors and therefore more likely to walk a few blocks to your local store than jump into a car and drive to the mall or big box store. (And your milder climate likely also facilitates that.) The reason small grocers have remained successful in certain parts of Winnipeg is because they operate in areas where many economically disadvantaged people who can't afford a car live. The bit extra they end up paying for food is still less than cab fare or the cost of maintaining a vehicle.If they don't want to open, that's their choice. If they want a day off, close up on Tuesday or some other day that everyone else doesn't have the time to go shopping. If anything it gives them more freedom to choose their own hours.
Alta_redneck @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:16 pm
wrong thread 
SireJoe @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:48 pm
I cannot believe there was actually a law that said stores couldnt be open on sundays. Sounds like a joke or something. One of those "absurd laws" you see in books or the paper.
It has to do with the bible and Im sorry but that would be a mixture of "church and state" so it should have been tossed a LONG time ago.
Telling someone they cannot open thier doors because they are to big to be open on sundays?? Man, what a joke. How can people defend that?
And detrimental to mom and pop stores?? uhhh I would have to assume that the OTHER 6 days of the week might be contributing to THAT one. Not to mention THE GENERAL PUBLIC. People CHOOSE where they shop, if they are not choosing to support thier local grocer or small town shop then thats just to bad. Its not up to the government to say where and when you can go out shopping.
BartSimpson @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:15 pm
$1:
I disagree. I live in Winnipeg and with the excpetion of the north end we have considerably fewer corner grocers and several medium sized family owned full service grocers have closed their doors over the last decade.
That's more related to corporate domination of the grocery business than to anything to do with being closed on Sundays. If anything, the extra revenue would help many businesses.
Knoss @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:18 pm
$1:
I'm not sure why shops have to be open all the time anyway are we so consumerist we can't live without one day heaven forbid the mall might be closed? I guess it’s not a big deal but having one day off out of the week for everyone to relax isn't so bad either.
Sunday is the day industry and thus specialist stores close. As such Sunday is the best day for malls, grociers and the like to do buisness, most small stores are run by the owners and hired employees so.
$1:
The reason small grocers have remained successful in certain parts of Winnipeg is because they operate in areas where many economically disadvantaged people who can't afford a car live. The bit extra they end up paying for food is still less than cab fare or the cost of maintaining a vehicle.
That people choose to live in inner cities to be close to services such as corner grociers.
Fredzena, your socialism will do more to kill off small buisness then anything else.
fredzena @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:30 pm
I don't think so Knoss. It's the majority of society's obsession with the almightly dollar and how they can save/accumulate more of it by chosing to deal with large corporate entiities that is killing off small business. No where have I said governments should be regulating when businesses can open. I didn't condone or condemn what the Nova Scotia government chose to put into law in order to allow larger stores to open on Sundays. I just expressed a sentiment that reflects the reality of what happened in this province once Sunday openings became the norm. It's small minded consumers not looking beyond the end of their noses and not supporting their local small businesses that is killing off small business.
Knoss @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:33 pm
Well guess what ! The customer is always right!
ridenrain @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:34 pm
SireJoe SireJoe:
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It has to do with the bible and Im sorry but that would be a mixture of "church and state" so it should have been tossed a LONG time ago.
Telling someone they cannot open thier doors because they are to big to be open on sundays?? Man, what a joke. How can people defend that?
It has to do with the bible and Im sorry but that would be a mixture of "church and state" so it should have been tossed a LONG time ago.
Telling someone they cannot open thier doors because they are to big to be open on sundays?? Man, what a joke. How can people defend that?
So it's bad if it comes from a church but good if it comes from "the people"?
Just want to check here because I don't want to think theres a double standard.
fredzena @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:43 pm
"Well guess what ! The customer is always right!"
LAME!
Knoss @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:43 pm
With regard to malls and grociery stores, I think the change in family models has a lot to do with it. Whent he husband worked the wife had time to go into town to buy things like and food and kid's clothes on the weekdays, but as you have more families with both parents working more families only have sunday off.
BartSimpson @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:54 pm
fredzena fredzena:
<b>It's the majority</b> of society's obsession with the almightly dollar and how they can save/accumulate more of it by chosing to deal with large corporate entiities that is killing off small business. No where have I said governments should be regulating when businesses can open. I didn't condone or condemn what the Nova Scotia government chose to put into law in order to allow larger stores to open on Sundays. I just expressed a sentiment that reflects the reality of what happened in this province once Sunday openings became the norm. It's small minded consumers not looking beyond the end of their noses and not supporting their local small businesses that is killing off small business.
I propose forcing people to shop at corner stores and by gunpoint if needs be!
Trusting people to make their own decisions about where to shop for groceries is sheer folly!
Sheer folly, I say!!!
ziggy @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:11 pm
fredzena fredzena:
"Well guess what ! The customer is always right!"
LAME!
LAME!
It's true though,the customer is allways right,thats capitalism.
SireJoe @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:46 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
SireJoe SireJoe:
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It has to do with the bible and Im sorry but that would be a mixture of "church and state" so it should have been tossed a LONG time ago.
Telling someone they cannot open thier doors because they are to big to be open on sundays?? Man, what a joke. How can people defend that?
It has to do with the bible and Im sorry but that would be a mixture of "church and state" so it should have been tossed a LONG time ago.
Telling someone they cannot open thier doors because they are to big to be open on sundays?? Man, what a joke. How can people defend that?
So it's bad if it comes from a church but good if it comes from "the people"?
Just want to check here because I don't want to think theres a double standard.
<smacks head> Of course! How could I NOT see that the government FORCES me to NOT work weekends! Uhh man......oh wait...they DONT force that upon me! ....so you had a point there bucko?
Blue_Nose @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:04 pm
I personally didn't have a big problem with the law - Nova Scotia, as Premier MacDonald put it this evening on As it Happens, is a traditional, family oriented province that values its relaxed pace and way of life. You don' have to be religious to appreciate the idea - I've never had to work retail or at a grocery store, but, with the exception of groceries, I never felt like i was a problem. PEI still does it, by the way (except around the holidays).
There were laws concerning floorspace (I think the cutoff for being able to be open on Sunday was around 30000 sqft or so) and grocery stores have been making a mockery of this lately by chopping their stores into little "boutiques" on Sundays. I'm guessing the government didn't want to deal with this hassle all over again in a year's time, so that's likely why he went farther than the court decision had dictated.
I think most of rural NS will remain closed on Sunday, as they were mostly in opposition to Sunday Shopping when they held the plebiscite.
Blue_Nose @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:09 pm
fredzena fredzena:
I don't think so Knoss. It's the majority of society's obsession with the almightly dollar and how they can save/accumulate more of it by chosing to deal with large corporate entiities that is killing off small business. No where have I said governments should be regulating when businesses can open. I didn't condone or condemn what the Nova Scotia government chose to put into law in order to allow larger stores to open on Sundays. I just expressed a sentiment that reflects the reality of what happened in this province once Sunday openings became the norm. It's small minded consumers not looking beyond the end of their noses and not supporting their local small businesses that is killing off small business.
In other words, your comments have nothing to do with Sunday shopping, which isn't detrimental to small business.
What exactly was your point again?