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oh what a surprise
this is how Liberals run surplus's




Future GST hike possible: Ignatieff

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Future+hik ... story.html

   

I'm doing my best!

I got myself a shiny new laptop.

   

Talk to uwish. Even with people calling it a leftist socialist ploy I still can't use it as a "left leaning policy".

WTF can be considered then?


Maybe they don't. But in 1999, the era we are talking about here, Parliament held a free-vote on introducing Same Sex Marriage and most Liberals opposed it. Among them was none other than Jean Chretien. I'm not going to post it, look it up Derby.

How soon you forget eh?[/quote]

Really?

http://www.andrewspicer.com/article560.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/samesexrights



You are correct that not all Liberals agree. Id say the % is 65% for and 35% against. Reverse that for the CPC and make the NDP at 100%for.

Still, Chretien pushed it through.

Next.



You are embarassing yourself now. The red tories under Mulroney were "red" chiefly on social issues (hence the grass cutting initiatives). The Libs certainly support it as do the NDP.

Harper has to in the open lest he lose all support in QC, more of Ontario and probably most of BC. You are either not listening close enough or are deluded if you don't believe a Harper led majority would work to limit/restrict/outlaw those things. Hell we have one member here who is gay but actually believes the law should prevent abortions. CPC supporter? Yep! Alot of CPC supporters not supporting either SSM or abortion although I'm well aware there are lots that support them fully.

Still, the one party that remains a threat to take those things away from Canadians is the CPC.



Grow up.



Nope. facts are facts. So what if they are gone. Doesn't change the fact they existed and/or were needed during his time.




Strawman fallacy. I'm arguing the Canadian tax-payers and voters got what they wanted and needed at the time.

Pathetic is your attempt to confuse your own ideology with an omni-good policy to be emulated by all govts past, present, and future.

I'll save you the trouble. You are wrong and I'm right.

In all seriousness, Trudeaus policies were based on the times. The voters wanted that becaus ethey thought that way.

Hysterical anti-socialism bordering on Macarthism is baseless especially when you try and define socilaism in real terms of Canadian policy.

Why should I take your opinion on thses subjects. I have a whole boat load of people I'm debating on this subject. How about you all get togeather and decide on a cohesive argument rather then me arguing against them the Libs aren't socilaists and that they are to you.

   

Shintomike: case in point!

have you read the shite he posts?

   

If this seems late sorry but I'm debating a few people right now.

Is the coalition supporting deficit spending and can you support it?

The last I heard was that the NDP took all corporate tax cuts off the table and their coalition platform was fully costed.

I guess the reciprocal question is "if you attacked the other parties based on your belief they would lead us into deficit then how can you support Harpers 30 billion dollar surprise?"

   

Of course it's supported by police chiefs, any info they can get without a warrant is valuable. However I don't believe the Conservatives are maintaining it, they just haven't shut it down yet. It's very out of date and is almost useless now.

   

Its economic illiteracy taken to an extreme, and is one of many reasons why I am no longer a supporter of the Republican Party.

   

Early 80s? I think you mean 90s right?

The early 80s were the yuppie, consumerism, miami vice era. we had the cars and chrissy snow selling thigh masters.

Oh and Frogurt.

Things may not be fine but look at this from a political perspective. How can anybody make the argument Harpers CPC is better economically then anybody given his announcement?

   

Are you American?

   

Oh man, are you serious? I thought I was debating an adult. What were you in 1999, 11? Are you telling me you dont' even remember that debate?

It's not open to debate Derby, Parliament held a free vote in 1999 on the issue of same sex marriage, and a majority of Libs voted against it, including Jean Chretien.

Here's a quick find on wikipedia about it, if you think you can dispute that fact then by all means post something. Good fucking luck.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... _in_Canada

I know that doesn't tee up with your arguments, but sometimes, your arguments conflict with the facts. Get over it.

   

You're right, they're not maintaining it. The Conservatives have decided to extend the amnesty on registering long guns into perpetuity, effectively nuetraliizing most aspects of the registry.

And while I acknowledge the registry was badly implemented and poorly managed initially, it wasn't really a bad idea.

After all, we register cars, why not guns?

   

I don't have to register my car. I can let it sit in my yard without a registration if I like. The problem with the registry is that it doesn't do what it was intended to do. It cost a lot of money for nothing.

   

Funny, they didn't post the surpluses from the first two years of Conservative government. Figures. Nor do they mention the world wide recession we are currently facing. That's ok Trevor, we'll just ignore that stuff so that the Liberals look like heroes.

   

Canadian tax payers and workers are the only ones who can take credit for those surpluses.

The Liberal Party made their cash
from the E-I, E-I woes.

   

Fair point.

But regardless, I still don't have a problem with the idea of having people register their guns.

I do agree the program was botched though. That cost it a great deal of needed credibility among law-abiding gun-owners.

   

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