Pauline Marois says independent Quebec would have no borders
Nuggie77 @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:35 am
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
You are right, of course. I came from their originally and I should know better. My last, previous comment, though, I'm sure has had a lot of consideration over the years. The loyalty of the CAF must remain to Canada and they should have contingency plans in place ...
One reason why the Airborne/SSF was relocated to Petawawa in the 70's
martin14 @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:45 am
Nuggie77 Nuggie77:
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
You are right, of course. I came from their originally and I should know better. My last, previous comment, though, I'm sure has had a lot of consideration over the years. The loyalty of the CAF must remain to Canada and they should have contingency plans in place ...
One reason why the Airborne/SSF was relocated to Petawawa in the 70's
See that starts to bring all kinds of shit out.
What do we do with the 22e ?
Do we keep the CAF bilingual ?
What about flyover rights / right of passage for units going to / from the Atlantic ?
etc, etc..
Jabberwalker @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:59 am
What do we do with HMCS Ville de Quebec (In my time, it was Skeena)?
Count_Lothian @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:41 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
The Quebec government will seek to nationalise all the Canadian Tire stores. Then after separation they will have their own currency.
fucking hilarious!!!
saturn_656 @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:56 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
What do we do with HMCS Ville de Quebec (In my time, it was Skeena)?
Rename it of course.
Jabberwalker @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:01 pm
... after walking the Francophone crew off of a plank in shark infested waters?
saturn_656 @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:04 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
... after walking the Francophone crew off of a plank in shark infested waters?
Just because they're francophone doesn't mean they are separatists.
Gunnair @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:06 pm
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
... after walking the Francophone crew off of a plank in shark infested waters?
Just because they're francophone doesn't mean they are separatists.
Exactly. The PQ says jump and the rabid Anglos ask 'How high?'
Jabberwalker @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:11 pm
True enough.
saturn_656 @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:14 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
... after walking the Francophone crew off of a plank in shark infested waters?
Just because they're francophone doesn't mean they are separatists.
Exactly. The PQ says jump and the rabid Anglos ask 'How high?'
That being said, we should have some sort of plan if the crew does attempt to defect with the ship.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst eh?
Jabberwalker @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:18 pm
Maybe Gunnair's right. This just plays straight into the separatist game.
saturn_656 @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:22 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
Maybe Gunnair's right. This just plays straight into the separatist game.
It's important to look at all the potential issues.
IIRC the Hornets in Bagotville were moved just before the referendum in '95 to prevent them from being used as bargaining chips. Or used for a Quebecois Air Force.
Count_Lothian @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:23 pm
I wanted to make a poll about whether they could win a referendum .
Then I realized it's so fucking flaky . How would you vote?
Do they want a full blown country? we don't know yet?
Sovereignty association> thats flaky as hell and would Canada stand for this crappolla.
Would all of Quebec be separated, look to Crimea and take a page out of that one.
Native peoples generally loathe the whole separatist French bastards .lol..I'm part French Canadian and part French from France by the way, along with a few other nationalities. A true and proud Canadian through and through .
Montreal , absolutely not. Proof is in the amount spent on infrastructure in Montreal as opposed to every where else in Quebec, lol.
it's so complicated and all she is doing is vying for votes from the lowest common denominator in Quebec.
which just happens to be a huge swath of people born from http://www.lookbackward.com/filleroi.htm
JaredMilne @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:16 pm
EDIT: I have removed my reply to Count Lothian, both because I misinterpreted him and because I was wrong-dead wrong-about the filles du roi. Mea culpa-I should know better, especially when I realized afterward that I was repeating something that Mordecai Richler claimed. 
Here's something for all of us to consider...
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Poll finds 61 per cent of Quebecers opposed to sovereignty
Numbers 'stable' since PQ's 2012 election victory
More than 60 per cent of Quebecers would vote “No” in a referendum on Quebec’s sovereignty if it was held immediately, a new CROP poll commissioned by Radio-Canada shows.
The poll of 1,400 people asked “If a referendum asking if you want Quebec to become a sovereign country was held today, would you vote Yes or would you vote No.”
Among decided respondents, 61 percent said they would vote “No” and 39 per cent said they would vote “Yes.”
“These are very stable numbers,” said Youri Rivest, vice-president of CROP.
Support for sovereignty is essentially at the same place it was since the election of the Parti Québécois in 2012.
The poll was conducted via the Internet between March 5 and 8, 2014. There is no margin of error because it was conducted over the Internet.
Given that it's an Internet poll, there could easily be bias in it. But keep in mind that Marois herself is waffling over whether to hold a referendum:
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In a campaign during which Pauline Marois would prefer to focus on issues such as jobs, the economy and Quebec’s cultural identity, the Parti Québécois Leader is compelled to explain her hesitation about holding another referendum on sovereignty.
Ms. Marois insisted she was not going to be rushed into holding another referendum if her party formed a majority government in the April 7 vote. But she added that she will launch public hearings on Quebec’s political future to gauge whether there is a desire for another referendum.
“We want to keep the agenda open,” Ms. Marois said when asked by reporters about her referendum strategy. “If a referendum is needed, we will take the time to stop and listen to people’s opinions. And if we find that it is not relevant to do it, we won’t.”
It also remains to be seen how Pierre-Karl Peladeau's candidacy will be received by the PQ's base, so much of which is made up of teachers and union types. Given how badly they reacted when nationalist hero René Levesque tried to cut public spending back in the early '80s (long before Ralph Klein or Mike Harris made it trendy, I might add) I'm not so sure that this is really going to work out as well as Marois seems to think.
So while I'm concerned, I'm not ready to jump on the let's-get-ready-for-another-referendum bandwagon just yet. From everything I'm seeing, it looks like Marois could easily end up with another minority, which will probably piss off much of the party and cause talk of replacing her.
Jabberwalker @ Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:26 pm
I don't get to vote in this latest neverendum ... thank god.