Photos of women being forced to remove 'burkinis' spark outr
N_Fiddledog @ Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:45 am
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THEY are the pictures that whipped the world up into a righteous fury.
One shows a woman wrapped in a DIY burkini on a beach in Nice, France, surrounded and visibly interrogated by no fewer than four armed policemen.
The next shows the woman having to take off her tunic under the watchful eye of the cops, looming threateningly over her.
“Forced to strip”, went one headline, retweeted tens of thousands of times.
The chorus on social media was deafening. The poor woman only wanted a bit of sun and a swim, dressed as she pleased, and is subjected to this disgusting affront.
It has become a frequent collective howl, the outrage at secular France’s decision to ban burkinis on more than a dozen beaches to calm religious tension.
Yet the pictures also tell another story.
Most citizens support burkini ban
Look closer, especially at the photo taken BEFORE the police show up.
One shows the woman seemingly sleeping, alone, lying directly on the sand.
She has no book, no sun cream, no beach bag. Her clothes are not suited to swimming.
Another shows her sitting quietly, looking around, as if waiting for the police to come. Hoping for the police to come?
As one French Muslim journalist, Ahmed Meguini, tweeted under the picture: “It’s 35C! Off to the beach for a nap in the sun in my ski outfit, like, totally normally.”
The pictures — sold worldwide by an agency — are not credited. They are, however, professionally shot.
The photographer was there long before the incident.
A belief shared by many is that this “victim” and the snapper wanted the police to intervene — the photos are brilliant Islamist propaganda.
They will provoke and inflame, foster a resentful mindset among French Muslims and encourage the narrative of “victimisation” that cripples action on Islamic extremism.
Among those furious at the pictures is the Collectif Contre l’Islamophobie en France (CCIF) — an activist outfit that has taken the French State to court in a series of high-profile cases.
Its attempts to have the burkini beach bans declared illegal have lost in local courts but yesterday, it won the right to make a case in front of the Council of State, France’s highest administrative court.
But the truth is that most French citizens at both ends of the political spectrum SUPPORT the bans.
This includes French Muslims, especially women.
They agree with Laurence Rossignol, France’s Socialist women’s minister, who suggested burkinis were designed to “hide women’s bodies in order better to control them”.
One shows a woman wrapped in a DIY burkini on a beach in Nice, France, surrounded and visibly interrogated by no fewer than four armed policemen.
The next shows the woman having to take off her tunic under the watchful eye of the cops, looming threateningly over her.
“Forced to strip”, went one headline, retweeted tens of thousands of times.
The chorus on social media was deafening. The poor woman only wanted a bit of sun and a swim, dressed as she pleased, and is subjected to this disgusting affront.
It has become a frequent collective howl, the outrage at secular France’s decision to ban burkinis on more than a dozen beaches to calm religious tension.
Yet the pictures also tell another story.
Most citizens support burkini ban
Look closer, especially at the photo taken BEFORE the police show up.
One shows the woman seemingly sleeping, alone, lying directly on the sand.
She has no book, no sun cream, no beach bag. Her clothes are not suited to swimming.
Another shows her sitting quietly, looking around, as if waiting for the police to come. Hoping for the police to come?
As one French Muslim journalist, Ahmed Meguini, tweeted under the picture: “It’s 35C! Off to the beach for a nap in the sun in my ski outfit, like, totally normally.”
The pictures — sold worldwide by an agency — are not credited. They are, however, professionally shot.
The photographer was there long before the incident.
A belief shared by many is that this “victim” and the snapper wanted the police to intervene — the photos are brilliant Islamist propaganda.
They will provoke and inflame, foster a resentful mindset among French Muslims and encourage the narrative of “victimisation” that cripples action on Islamic extremism.
Among those furious at the pictures is the Collectif Contre l’Islamophobie en France (CCIF) — an activist outfit that has taken the French State to court in a series of high-profile cases.
Its attempts to have the burkini beach bans declared illegal have lost in local courts but yesterday, it won the right to make a case in front of the Council of State, France’s highest administrative court.
But the truth is that most French citizens at both ends of the political spectrum SUPPORT the bans.
This includes French Muslims, especially women.
They agree with Laurence Rossignol, France’s Socialist women’s minister, who suggested burkinis were designed to “hide women’s bodies in order better to control them”.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:49 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Uhhhh yeah. See a lot of people wearing wet suits at the beach, sunning themselves do ya? Have you ever gone diving or worn a wet suit? Do you even understand the purpose of a wet suit?
Are any of those things illegal? If I try to suntan in a wetsuit in France will they arrest me?
Seems you have about as much grasp of suntanning as buddy does with wetsuits. Here's a clue for ya Jack. If you have flippers, a mask, a snorkel or scuba tank, it's not likely you'll have any problem. If you're simply trying to "suntan in a wetsuit" at the beach, well, you're probably a fucking moron.
BeaverFever @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:40 am
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If you're simply trying to "suntan in a wetsuit" at the beach, well, you're probably a fucking moron.
So? What's your point, relative to the topic at hand? Are you trying to say its illegal to be a moron in France? If so, you might want to stay away.
BartSimpson @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:44 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Are you trying to say its illegal to be a moron in France?
You're certain proof that it's still legal in Canada.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:52 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
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If you're simply trying to "suntan in a wetsuit" at the beach, well, you're probably a fucking moron.
So? What's your point, relative to the topic at hand? Are you trying to say its illegal to be a moron in France? If so, you might want to stay away.
No, I'm saying YOU'RE a moron with your moronic false equivalency hypothetical. Do you understand? NO ONE suntans in a friggin' wetsuit!
But at least we've established that you know absolutely nothing about the concepts of suntanning or wetsuits.
Delwin @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:14 pm
I think anyone without their head up their ass can see the impact this his having on preventing terror attacks.
If the intention was to increase public anxiety and foment division. Congrats France!
If you think this is making anyone safer of freer, stop being retarded.
BeaverFever @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:39 pm
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
$1:
If you're simply trying to "suntan in a wetsuit" at the beach, well, you're probably a fucking moron.
So? What's your point, relative to the topic at hand? Are you trying to say its illegal to be a moron in France? If so, you might want to stay away.
No, I'm saying YOU'RE a moron with your moronic false equivalency hypothetical. Do you understand? NO ONE suntans in a friggin' wetsuit!
But at least we've established that you know absolutely nothing about the concepts of suntanning or wetsuits.
Dude you don't get it. Dude you do not even make sense. Do you even understand what the topic of this thread is? What does any of that have to do with it being illegal to wear a burkini? That's what I'm asking you, genius.
BeaverFever @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:44 pm
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Israel to introduce 'modesty guidelines' for women's clothing at government events
...The singer said she could not “accept the double standard” of being invited to perform at a beach festival, while not being allowed to dress in beachwear.
“It wasn’t a provocation but simply a matter of comfort. It’s summer, it’s hot, and we were at the beach,” she told the Israeli local news site Ashdodnet.
...The singer said she could not “accept the double standard” of being invited to perform at a beach festival, while not being allowed to dress in beachwear.
“It wasn’t a provocation but simply a matter of comfort. It’s summer, it’s hot, and we were at the beach,” she told the Israeli local news site Ashdodnet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14866.html
Where's the conservative outrage now??
andyt @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:49 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
$1:
Israel to introduce 'modesty guidelines' for women's clothing at government events
...The singer said she could not “accept the double standard” of being invited to perform at a beach festival, while not being allowed to dress in beachwear.
“It wasn’t a provocation but simply a matter of comfort. It’s summer, it’s hot, and we were at the beach,” she told the Israeli local news site Ashdodnet.
...The singer said she could not “accept the double standard” of being invited to perform at a beach festival, while not being allowed to dress in beachwear.
“It wasn’t a provocation but simply a matter of comfort. It’s summer, it’s hot, and we were at the beach,” she told the Israeli local news site Ashdodnet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14866.html
Where's the conservative outrage now??
Hear her on the radio. She actually supports the burka ban because it oppresses women. But she says she should be free to dress how she wants.
BeaverFever @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:53 pm
Either you're free to dress how you want or you're not. Sadly some women want to wear a burka or a burkini. Shouldn't be any different than a woman who wants to wear a bikinis top.
martin14 @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:58 pm
Delwin Delwin:
I think anyone without their head up their ass can see the impact this his having on preventing terror attacks.
If the intention was to increase public anxiety and foment division. Congrats France!
If you think this is making anyone safer of freer, stop being retarded.
If the intention was to increase public anxiety and foment division. Congrats France!
If you think this is making anyone safer of freer, stop being retarded.
I think the religion of peace has done a far better job of increasing public anxiety
and creating division.
Why you keep apologizing for it, thinking if you are nice to them they will return
the favour, is beyond me.
llama66 @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:18 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Either you're free to dress how you want or you're not. Sadly some women want to wear a burka or a burkini. Shouldn't be any different than a woman who wants to wear a bikinis top.
In reality you've never been able to dress how you want. Think about it: can you wear something that exposes your genitalia? No. you'd get arrested for indecent exposure (or worse). Now this, according to the mayor, is a long standing bylaw stating no religious garb on the beach, he said Nuns are not allowed to wear their habits, so he's just ensuring that the law applies equally to all people.
BeaverFever @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:34 pm
Are Jews prohibited from wearing kippahs?
andyt @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:06 pm
llama66 llama66:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Either you're free to dress how you want or you're not. Sadly some women want to wear a burka or a burkini. Shouldn't be any different than a woman who wants to wear a bikinis top.
In reality you've never been able to dress how you want. Think about it: can you wear something that exposes your genitalia? No. you'd get arrested for indecent exposure (or worse). Now this, according to the mayor, is a long standing bylaw stating no religious garb on the beach, he said Nuns are not allowed to wear their habits, so he's just ensuring that the law applies equally to all people.
Funny, the righties on this forum have always assured us that burkas etc are not religious garb. Do they make Sikhs take their turbans off?
andyt @ Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:07 pm
If a woman is wearing the burkini because hubby is making her, he won't allow her to go to the beach at all with the burkini ban - what does that accomplish?