Racist posters promoting 'alt-right' alarm Toronto residents
andyt @ Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:52 pm
That seems like a bit of a stretch, doesn't it? Are there really only Hispanic traditions that they all share, none that are different among them? Do you have to speak a Hispanic language to be Hispanic.
Maybe a stronger example is black - An African who's just moved to the US, is going to sound different than an African American, and will have very different traditions. Yet they could conceivably both subscribe to black pride without anybody raising an eyebrow.
I use the term European. I think we should be proud of our European heritage, I think Europeans made Canada and the US the great countries they are to live in, which is why so many people want to move here. You can list a long litany of wrongs Europeans have committed, but the whole world seems to want to copy their success. And I think there are some common values that came out of the reformation and enlightenment in Europe that we should praise and keep.
Mostly the non-white pride movements are about people trying the build themselves up without much accomplishment. And the white pride movements, unfortunately have been taken over by racist nutbars, who don't have much going for themselves. But it really is time to reverse the anti-European sentiment that's been floating around, and the guilt as well. No other group of people, if they had had the power, would have acted any better.
Thanos @ Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:05 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
"The concept of common a "White race" that is shared by Irish, Russians, Germans, Slavs, Brits and (depending who you ask, Italians,Greeks) etc. is a recently created a myth. No German guy goes to St. Patricks day and says "ah yes, part of my heritage!" St. Patricks Day is as foreign to him as it is to a Pakistani. Up until recentl history none of these European peoples considered each other to be kin of any kind.
The ancient Romans and Greeks had closer ties and kinship with the swarthy semetic, asian and African people of the Mediterranean and Near East than they did with any Northern barbarians.
The modern idea of a "White" race was only invented in the slave trade era to distinguish from lesser "Non-White" race and justify their subjugation
A Hispanic person is Hispanic even if they are the only person on the planet. They speak a Hispanic language, have Hispanic traditions, etc. An Irish petition is Irish even if they are the only person left on earth. But a white person is only "White" if there are "non-white" people around that they want to differentiate from. Otherwise they're Irish,German, etc.
It's happening because it's a clear situation of hang together or get hanged separately, especially when things like the rapefugee invasion of Europe are being done as deliberate strategies to destroy our civilization. I know liberals never dreamed that a pan-European/American/CANZAUS white awakening would ever happen but it has. Expect pushback on each and every one of your efforts from now on in.

Thanos @ Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:27 pm
It's a natural phenomenon that transcends government, dickbrain.
andyt andyt:
That seems like a bit of a stretch, doesn't it? Are there really only Hispanic traditions that they all share, none that are different among them? Do you have to speak a Hispanic language to be Hispanic.
. Sure, they have their unique national traditions as well but the point is the defining characteristics of a culture are intrinsic, not relative to someone else A Chilean and a Mexican would have their own unique characteristics but would also recognize shared cultural traits. An Irishman and a Russian never recognized each other as a common race until a Black guy showed up.
$1:
Maybe a stronger example is black - An African who's just moved to the US, is going to sound different than an African American, and will have very different traditions. Yet they could conceivably both subscribe to black pride without anybody raising an eyebrow.
You bring up another point of identity-shared
experience. The African immigrant at first might not see much in common with an African American but generally would be treated by society as a "Black Man" and he would be just as likely to be harassed by police, etc. so the shared experience would likely result in him identifying as African American. The birthplace becomes irrelevant because hid identity is defined by others ad "Black".
$1:
I use the term European. I think we should be proud of our European heritage, I think Europeans made Canada and the US the great countries they are to live in, which is why so many people want to move here. You can list a long litany of wrongs Europeans have committed, but the whole world seems to want to copy their success. And I think there are some common values that came out of the reformation and enlightenment in Europe that we should praise and keep.
"European" is overly generous. You should just say Anglo-French. The Albanians and the Icelandic and the Estonians didn't "make" this country any more than Chinese Coolies did. And to the extent that our countries were made great bu their political ideals rather than ethnic ideals, it makes more sense to refer to the intellectual tradition rather than the ethnic tradition.
$1:
No other group of people, if they had had the power, would have acted any better.
. True but that shouldn't be sm excuse to act worse, or to whitewash colonialism and genocide.
andyt @ Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:45 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
"European" is overly generous. You should just say Anglo-French. The Albanians and the Icelandic and the Estonians didn't "make" this country any more than Chinese Coolies did. And to the extent that our countries were made great bu their political ideals rather than ethnic ideals, it makes more sense to refer to the intellectual tradition rather than the ethnic tradition.
$1:
No other group of people, if they had had the power, would have acted any better.
. True but that shouldn't be sm excuse to act worse, or to whitewash colonialism and genocide.
Anglo French is overly restrictive. Germans and Italians did a lot to make both countries as well. And the Dutch and who knows who. It is about an intellectual tradition, rather than ethnic, but it is an intellectual tradition that comes out of Europe. It's a European tradition. And we should hold up that European tradition to immigrant groups as something we value and intend to keep, instead of always bending over backwards trying to accommodate.
Nobody said anything about whitewashing. But at the same time, our barbarism shouldn't be used to devalue everything we created. We seem to have so much trouble doing things in moderation as a society. It has to be either black or white.
Thanos @ Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:46 pm
andyt andyt:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
"European" is overly generous. You should just say Anglo-French. The Albanians and the Icelandic and the Estonians didn't "make" this country any more than Chinese Coolies did. And to the extent that our countries were made great bu their political ideals rather than ethnic ideals, it makes more sense to refer to the intellectual tradition rather than the ethnic tradition.
$1:
No other group of people, if they had had the power, would have acted any better.
. True but that shouldn't be sm excuse to act worse, or to whitewash colonialism and genocide.
Anglo French is overly restrictive. Germans and Italians did a lot to make both countries as well. And the Dutch and who knows who. It is about an intellectual tradition, rather than ethnic, but it is an intellectual tradition that comes out of Europe. It's a European tradition. And we should hold up that European tradition to immigrant groups as something we value and intend to keep, instead of always bending over backwards trying to accommodate.
Nobody said anything about whitewashing. But at the same time, our barbarism shouldn't be used to devalue everything we created. We seem to have so much trouble doing things in moderation as a society. It has to be either black or white.
Where is the real andyt and what have you done with him?
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
A Hispanic person is Hispanic even if they are the only person on the planet. They speak a Hispanic language, have Hispanic traditions, etc. An Irish petition is Irish even if they are the only person left on earth. But a white person is only "White" if there are "non-white" people around that they want to differentiate from. Otherwise they're Irish,German, etc.
I see, so..
Hispanic is a group.
All Hispanics are in the group, regardless of country.
Hispanics are always Hispanics, even if white people are around.
Btw, what 'Hispanic' traditions are you talking about ?
But whites are NOT a group.
There are no shared traditions.
Like Christmas, or Easter.
Those racist mental gymnastics of yours are pretty impressive.
But it's obvious you are the real anti white racist around here,
the hypocracy is hilarious.
andyt andyt:
You can list a long litany of wrongs Europeans have committed, but the whole world seems to want to copy their success.
No, it's more and more obvious that they are only interested in moving to White countries, building up their own places is low on the list.
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
You should just say Anglo-French. The Albanians and the Icelandic and the Estonians didn't "make" this country any more than Chinese Coolies did. And to the extent that our countries were made great bu their political ideals rather than ethnic ideals, it makes more sense to refer to the intellectual tradition rather than the ethnic tradition.
That's some nice cherry picking going on.
Would you like to say the same about the Ukranians ?
Germans ?
Italians ?
Does your mother let you go outside with that racist tongue of yours ?

Thanos @ Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:41 pm
No, some form of collectivism is natural. Socialism itself is natural too. Everyone generally gains by working together, disruptive individualism in the name of personal greed generally causes harm. All perfectly within what a few million years of evolution intended in that you don't fuck over your own. Hive-mentality communism though, with a nonsensical belief in no-hierarchy of leadership, or that higher skill-sets are no more important than the most basic of talents? That's what's unnatural. Superior talent and skill should be accompanied by greater reward if it makes a greater contribution to the betterment of the group. Collective co-operation doesn't and shouldn't extirpate personal self-interest either, within reasonable limits. We are simultaneously both individuals and part of community. The collective is strengthened, not weakened, by superior individuals working within it and for it. Anyone, from the capitalist who sees only his own individual gratification as important to the communist who sees everyone as basically an interchangeable and replaceable clone, who says that there can only be one or the other is basically an idiot.
martin14 martin14:
I see, so..
Hispanic is a group.
All Hispanics are in the group, regardless of country.
Hispanics are always Hispanics, even if white people are around.
Btw, what 'Hispanic' traditions are you talking about ?
But whites are NOT a group.
There are no shared traditions.
Like Christmas, or Easter.
Hey dummy, non-whites celebrate Christmas and Easter too. Even Blacks and Hispanics and illegal Mexican immigrants. Especially those people actually. Holy Fuck you're stupid.
And Speaking Spanish is a pretty common Hispanic tradition. Can you speak "White"?
$1:
No, it's more and more obvious that they are only interested in moving to White countries, building up their own places is low on the list.
Are USA and Canada white country? What about FN? Or Blacks? Or the Hispanic people who have living in the southwestern US states since before the US invaded and annexed that part of the continent from Mexico?
$1:
That's some nice cherry picking going on.
Would you like to say the same about the Ukranians ?
Germans ?
Italians ?
Did they make Canada more than non-European immigrants? What about Jews? Do they count or not count as "European"?
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
What about Jews?
So much whattabouttery in one post.
BFs normal flailing time has arrived.
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
"The concept of common a "White race" that is shared by Irish, Russians, Germans, Slavs, Brits and (depending who you ask, Italians,Greeks) etc. is a recently created a myth. No German guy goes to St. Patricks day and says "ah yes, part of my heritage!" St. Patricks Day is as foreign to him as it is to a Pakistani. Up until recentl history none of these European peoples considered each other to be kin of any kind.
The ancient Romans and Greeks had closer ties and kinship with the swarthy semetic, asian and African people of the Mediterranean and Near East than they did with any Northern barbarians.
The modern idea of a "White" race was only invented in the slave trade era to distinguish from lesser "Non-White" race and justify their subjugation
A Hispanic person is Hispanic even if they are the only person on the planet. They speak a Hispanic language, have Hispanic traditions, etc. An Irish petition is Irish even if they are the only person left on earth. But a white person is only "White" if there are "non-white" people around that they want to differentiate from. Otherwise they're Irish,German, etc.
So again, what about Black Pride then? Your argument works just as well for someone who's ancestry is from Mauritania as opposed to someone who's ancestry is from, say, Zambia. So, if it's wrong for White people to assume there isn't a "common White race", which there isn't, then it's just as wrong to suggest there's a "common Black race"
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
And Speaking Spanish is a pretty common Hispanic tradition. Can you speak "White"?
Well, it's been over a decade since I lived in Minnesota but I could give it a shot.
andyt @ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:11 am
All the color-pride or ethnicity-pride movements are for losers that have no personal accomplishments. Like being proud of getting a participation ribbon on sports day. If it makes somebody go out and make something of themselves, that's good, but mostly it seems to just be people of the same color or ethnicity sitting around congratulating themselves of how brilliant they are for having been born a certain way.