The atheist bus journey
Brenda @ Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:37 am
Either (being an atheist or religious) is a choice. We are all supposed to be able to make our own choices in life. We can all flaunt our choices. Nobody has to (dis)agree, but a little respect would be nice.
I get 2 sweet religious ladies on my doorstep every 2 months or so, wanting a discussion about faith. I told them the first time that I am fine with them coming to my door, that I am willing to discuss God or their faith with me, if they are willing to discuss my lack of faith in God with them. They respect that (as I respect them) and we have nice discussions 
Those ads? Oh well, who cares. I get a chuckle out of them, just as I get out of the signs at the churches 
roger-roger @ Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:38 am
I think its funny when they do try to pass ID off as a scientific theory 
Zipperfish @ Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:39 am
jason700 jason700:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I agree with poquas. Athiests reject theism as an ideological stance. I'd say most people referred to as athiests are probably better described as scientific sceptics or agnostics.most most so-called athiests are actually agnostics. "Atheism" has also come to be used as pejorative term for anyone that has a beef with organized religion.
No. Agnostics believe in the supernatural and life after death, alot of the time even in God. Atheists do not.
Not necessarily.. The word agnostic, or a-gnostic means literally, from the Greek, "without knowing." There are different types, but the common denominator has to be that metphysics/afterlife/deities are unknown or unknowable. There is no requirement to believe in the supernatural to be an agnostic.
Wiki lists these types of agnostiocism:
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Agnosticism can be subdivided into several subcategories. Recently suggested variations include:
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard agnosticism," "closed agnosticism," "strict agnosticism," or "absolute agnosticism") refers to the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether God exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism)—the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deity is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deity exists or not, but maybe one day when there is more evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)—the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.[citation needed]
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism, spiritual agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs)
Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of a deity, and do not believe in any.[9]
Ignosticism—the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[10]
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard agnosticism," "closed agnosticism," "strict agnosticism," or "absolute agnosticism") refers to the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether God exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism)—the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deity is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deity exists or not, but maybe one day when there is more evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)—the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.[citation needed]
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism, spiritual agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs)
Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of a deity, and do not believe in any.[9]
Ignosticism—the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[10]
Zipperfish @ Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:42 am
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I think its funny when they do try to pass ID off as a scientific theory
I think most of the original proponents of that one have given that one up as a stinker. All they did was mobilize their opposition and got precious little to gain from it. That dog, from a Darwinian persepctive, don't hunt!
Hewer @ Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:05 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Either (being an atheist or religious) is a choice. We are all supposed to be able to make our own choices in life. We can all flaunt our choices. Nobody has to (dis)agree, but a little respect would be nice.
I get 2 sweet religious ladies on my doorstep every 2 months or so, wanting a discussion about faith. I told them the first time that I am fine with them coming to my door, that I am willing to discuss God or their faith with me, if they are willing to discuss my lack of faith in God with them. They respect that (as I respect them) and we have nice discussions
Those ads? Oh well, who cares. I get a chuckle out of them, just as I get out of the signs at the churches
I get 2 sweet religious ladies on my doorstep every 2 months or so, wanting a discussion about faith. I told them the first time that I am fine with them coming to my door, that I am willing to discuss God or their faith with me, if they are willing to discuss my lack of faith in God with them. They respect that (as I respect them) and we have nice discussions
Those ads? Oh well, who cares. I get a chuckle out of them, just as I get out of the signs at the churches
I object to that whole post. It makes too much sense.
jason700 @ Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:03 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
jason700 jason700:
No. Agnostics believe in the supernatural and life after death, alot of the time even in God. Atheists do not.
Not necessarily.. The word agnostic, or a-gnostic means literally, from the Greek, "without knowing." There are different types, but the common denominator has to be that metphysics/afterlife/deities are unknown or unknowable. There is no requirement to believe in the supernatural to be an agnostic.
Wiki lists these types of agnostiocism:
$1:
Agnosticism can be subdivided into several subcategories. Recently suggested variations include:
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard agnosticism," "closed agnosticism," "strict agnosticism," or "absolute agnosticism") refers to the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether God exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism)—the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deity is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deity exists or not, but maybe one day when there is more evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)—the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.[citation needed]
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism, spiritual agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs)
Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of a deity, and do not believe in any.[9]
Ignosticism—the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[10]
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard agnosticism," "closed agnosticism," "strict agnosticism," or "absolute agnosticism") refers to the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether God exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism)—the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deity is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deity exists or not, but maybe one day when there is more evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)—the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.[citation needed]
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism, spiritual agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs)
Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of a deity, and do not believe in any.[9]
Ignosticism—the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[10]
Okay... so i was actually comparing Agnostic Theism and Agnostic Atheism. I see.
roger-roger @ Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:11 am
HyperionTheEvil @ Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:23 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:
RUEZ RUEZ:
Hey atheists, quit shoving your message down our throats.
How is buying an ad shoving it down your throat.
I'm actually talking about you guys. Ya we get it you don't like religion, you don't believe in God. You guys are worse then the Jehova's Witness.
Not really, were just tired of people who think there is a giant Space Daddy that speaks to them in a secret code that only they can hear. And what their hearing is that gays are bad, Womens rights are bad, cvil liberites are bad and owning your own personal howizter is good.
Satire aside, we are saying that religion is a danger because it leads people away from thiking rationally about everyday events.
fifeboy @ Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:24 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Wiki lists these types of agnostiocism:
$1:
Agnosticism can be subdivided into several subcategories. Recently suggested variations include:
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard agnosticism," "closed agnosticism," "strict agnosticism," or "absolute agnosticism") refers to the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether God exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism)—the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deity is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deity exists or not, but maybe one day when there is more evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)—the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.[citation needed]
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism, spiritual agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs)
Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of a deity, and do not believe in any.[9]
Ignosticism—the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[10]
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard agnosticism," "closed agnosticism," "strict agnosticism," or "absolute agnosticism") refers to the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether God exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism)—the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deity is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deity exists or not, but maybe one day when there is more evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)—the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.[citation needed]
Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism, spiritual agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs)
Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of a deity, and do not believe in any.[9]
Ignosticism—the view that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of God is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[10]
Wow, who knew it could get so complicated? More divisions than the Western Church.
Where would you put this song, by Iris Dement?
Everybody's wonderin' what and where they all came from.
Everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go when the whole thing's done.
But no one knows for certain and so it's all the same to me.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
Some say once you're gone you're gone forever, and some say you're gonna come back.
Some say you rest in the arms of the Saviour if in sinful ways you lack.
Some say that they're comin' back in a garden, bunch of carrots and little sweet peas.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
Everybody's wonderin' what and where they all came from.
Everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go when the whole thing's done.
But no one knows for certain and so it's all the same to me.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
Some say they're goin' to a place called Glory and I ain't saying it ain't a fact.
But I've heard that I'm on the road to purgatory and I don't like the sound of that.
Well, I believe in love and I live my life accordingly.
But I choose to let the mystery be.
Everybody's wonderin' what and where they all came from.
Everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go when the whole thing's done.
But no one knows for certain and so it's all the same to me.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
Let the Mystery Be Lyrics
Artist:Iris Dement
Tricks @ Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:36 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
That dog, from a Darwinian persepctive, don't hunt!
Wow what a 40s expression. I'm impressed.