The Darker Side of Toyota
stemmer @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:20 am
Axeman Axeman:
:roll: Every corporation has its unethical skeletons in the closet. None of the Big 3 are any better (in fact, if I spent a day in the library, I could find a hundred skeletons worse than this nonesense). Toyota feeds half the population of my home-town. Toyota makes the best product on the market. I don't much care what they do in California or Burma (if that's even a country anymore). Shame on you, Stemmer, you're losing your objectivity grinding that axe.
So you don't care the future of the auto sector maybe decided by a company that had 30 people die in their plant in a year...
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In 2002, Kenichi Uchino, 30, died while working at the “green” Tsutsumi plant that assembles the Prius.
A company that forces workers to work unpaid overtime....and a 85 hour work week....
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His wife, Hiroko Uchino, described a grueling lifestyle that included an 85-hour workweek prior to his death. The NLC published his time cards, which reveal that he was “putting in 106.5 to 155 hours of overtime … in the 30 days leading up to his death.”
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Much of this overtime went unpaid. (Toyota explained Kenichi’s extra hours as “voluntary quality control activities,” says the report.) But in court, his survivors were able to win pension payments.
Once they have control in North America perhaps they will be using this type of employee management here...
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What’s more, a memo leaked from Toyota’s Georgetown, Ky., plant to the New York Times in late 2007, exposed “management’s plans to cut $300 million in labor costs across Toyota’s North American operations over the next three years.” To do this, Toyota plans to introduce tiered wage scales and reduced health benefits for U.S. Toyota workers, which should come as little surprise to an American auto workforce that has suffered similar attacks from Detroit’s Big Three manufacturers for the past three decades.
Wake up and smell the coffee OR continue down the current path allowing NA to be the dumping grounds for every other nations products and we will be surrendering our sovereignty over to corporations like Toyota,Sony, Panasonic, etc...
How do you like yur globalization now? Or shall we clearly call it for what it is... War on the working, middle class in North America...
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/379 ... ota_prius/
Axeman @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:39 am
stemmer stemmer:
So you don't care the future of the auto sector maybe decided by a company that had 30 people die in their plant in a year...
Of course I care. The question is "why do you"? You seem to be out to fuck people in other countries with your protectionist ideals. If you want Canadians to manufacture all we need at home and import nothing, then you're being a complete hypocrite. If you want products from other nations kept out of Canada, you don't give a shit about workers or anyone else in those countries.
Axeman @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:41 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
Don't call me lazy. I wasn't the one making an argument without anything to back it up. I'm not the one that said I could find all sorts of info and then fail to provide it...
"Lazy lazy lazy"
I said I "could", not that I "would". I figured it was an easy enough google search, not to mention common knowledge anyway, that no one would really need me to cite cases of corporate misdoings among the Big 3. 
EyeBrock @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:42 am
If the slaves make good quality cars that are cheap it's a great move!
Axeman @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:43 am
stemmer stemmer:
You're comparing events that happened 30-40 years ago to something that happened months ago?
No, I'm illustrating the long-term nature of the corruption at NA automakers. And you think a 40 year old murder is less important that a 4 day old one? Tell that to Holocaust survivors. I also cited recent misdeeds, and there are certainly a lot more.
stemmer @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:46 am
Countries like China have very little in the way of human rights let along worker's rights...
You are avoiding the question... How can Canada compete in the manufacturing sectors with countries that use near slave labour? If we continue down this path all of the manufacturing jobs in North America will be outsourced to China, Korea, India, etc... That is my concern... !!!!!!!
Axeman @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:48 am
stemmer stemmer:
Countries like China have very little in the way of human rights let along worker's rights...
You are avoiding the question... How can Canada compete in the manufacturing sectors with countries that use near slave labour? If we continue down this path all of the manufacturing jobs in North America will be outsourced to China, Korea, India, etc... That is my concern... !!!!!!!
You are avoiding the question... How can Canada compete in the manufacturing sectors with countries that use near slave labour? If we continue down this path all of the manufacturing jobs in North America will be outsourced to China, Korea, India, etc... That is my concern... !!!!!!!
...and it's not a concern AT ALL to me. I would prefer that NO heavy manufacturing take place in Canada. If I could design our economy, we'd all be doing high-tech, research and service. Let some other country poison its environment doing heavy manufacturing and let us do high-tech, high value added production. Release our labour from these shitty jobs, dirty production and corporate control.
stemmer @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:16 am
BUT we are losing those high tech jobs to countries like India....thanks to globalization and liberal trade policies by the global lefties...
Ripcat @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:07 am
stemmer stemmer:
BUT we are losing those high tech jobs to countries like India....thanks to globalization and liberal trade policies by the global lefties...
Huh???
stemmer @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:13 am
The name Maurice Strong come to mind? Or do you not know of his larcenous, traiterous acts against the people of Canada?
Ripcat @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:17 am
What about the NDP and their protectionist attitudes?
What about all the lefty protests at any and all WTO meetings or anywhere global trade is under discussion?
Free global trade is very much a corporate desire so they can take advantage of lax labour rules, low wages and the like that you base this thread on....
stemmer @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:56 pm
I find the lefties who protest at WTO meetings are more the hippie type... Maurice Strong and the Demarais Power Corporation lackies are pushing for a global government... Ever wonder what Strong is doing in China, why the Power Corp sends monthly trade missions to Asia?
I think free and open trade is a good thing when both trading partners benefit, when both trading partners have similar standards of living... Free trade with the US is a no brainer... BUT liberal trade with China, India is not a good idea until they raise their standard of living... A person flipping burgers A&W in NA probably makes more then a nuclear engineer in India...
As far as the NDP.... I hate those socialist wannabe commie punks... It is their belief anything American or Western is evil.... Look what Bob Rae did to Ontario...
Axeman @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:58 pm
stemmer stemmer:
I think free and open trade is a good thing when both trading partners benefit, when both trading partners have similar standards of living... Free trade with the US is a no brainer... BUT liberal trade with China, India is not a good idea until they raise their standard of living... A person flipping burgers A&W in NA probably makes more then a nuclear engineer in India...
Okay, you SERIOUSLY need a course in international trade economics. The MORE different countries are, the MORE they stand to benefit from trading. I give up.
stemmer @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:06 pm
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...and it's not a concern AT ALL to me. I would prefer that NO heavy manufacturing take place in Canada. If I could design our economy, we'd all be doing high-tech, research and service. Let some other country poison its environment doing heavy manufacturing and let us do high-tech, high value added production. Release our labour from these shitty jobs, dirty production and corporate control.
WHAT!!!!!?????
After we surrender the automotive industry to Asia our aero industries will be next... Do you really think the Big Three autoworkers would rather be flipping burgers in the service industry or painting living rooms?
How many computer programmers do you think Canada requires? A good portion of the Silicon Valley area is now being outsourced to India...!!!
Bacardi4206 @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:08 pm
Toyota is a skilled master in the dark side of the force.