The Darker Side of Toyota
stemmer @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:13 am
http://ucarmagazine.com/2008/06/toyota- ... op-abuses/
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Today the National Labor Committee (NLC) is releasing a 65-page report, “The Toyota You Don’t Know” documenting serious human rights violations by the Toyota Motor Company, which will disturb most Americans.
Such a wonderful employer, bringing in Chinese slave labour to work in their plants, singing exclusive deals with dictators to exploit their citizens for human trafficking...
stemmer @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:16 am
A race to the bottom... The Toyota you don't want to know...
http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=15182
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008 ... 90268.html
Toyota and Suzuki linked to Burmese dictators...
http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=559
stemmer @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:33 am
http://globalinvestmentwatch.com/2008/0 ... otor-corp/
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Repression of freedom of association: Toyota was cited by the ILO as, “…a multinational company, apparently with little regard for corporate responsibility…” for its role in suppressing freedom of association at its plant in the Philippines, where Toyota fired 227 workers for daring to exercise their legal right to organize. Toyota and the race to the bottom: Toyota is imposing its low wage model at its non-union plants in the south of the United States, which will result in wages and benefits being slashed across the auto industry.
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Assessment
Toyota represents a clear example of a company’s corporate responsibility policies not matching its practice. In addition to the human rights violation noted in this report, Toyota has extensive operations in high risk countries, it has been accused of racist practices, and the company sued the state of California over carbon-dioxide emissions regulations.
Toyota represents a clear example of a company’s corporate responsibility policies not matching its practice. In addition to the human rights violation noted in this report, Toyota has extensive operations in high risk countries, it has been accused of racist practices, and the company sued the state of California over carbon-dioxide emissions regulations.
Axeman @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:08 am
Every corporation has its unethical skeletons in the closet. None of the Big 3 are any better (in fact, if I spent a day in the library, I could find a hundred skeletons worse than this nonesense). Toyota feeds half the population of my home-town. Toyota makes the best product on the market. I don't much care what they do in California or Burma (if that's even a country anymore). Shame on you, Stemmer, you're losing your objectivity grinding that axe.
stemmer @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:27 am
But IF we continue down this path of replacing capitalism with corporatism, the countries of the world will no longer be run by governments but by corporations like Toyota... BUT it's OK in your small little world Toyota is being investigated for human trafficking... I guess you sided with Jefferson Davis in the US Civil War...
Axeman @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:23 pm
stemmer stemmer:
But IF we continue down this path of replacing capitalism with corporatism, the countries of the world will no longer be run by governments but by corporations like Toyota... BUT it's OK in your small little world Toyota is being investigated for human trafficking... I guess you sided with Jefferson Davis in the US Civil War...
Sadly, I wasn't around to support the Confederacy, though most Canadians and the rest of the British Empire did. Either way, if you're looking to trash corporationism, I'm right behind you. But there are a lot better targets than Toyoto, even among automakers, for your anger.
Ripcat @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:32 pm
Axeman Axeman:
stemmer stemmer:
But IF we continue down this path of replacing capitalism with corporatism, the countries of the world will no longer be run by governments but by corporations like Toyota... BUT it's OK in your small little world Toyota is being investigated for human trafficking... I guess you sided with Jefferson Davis in the US Civil War...
Sadly, I wasn't around to support the Confederacy, though most Canadians and the rest of the British Empire did. Either way, if you're looking to trash corporationism, I'm right behind you. But there are a lot better targets than Toyoto, even among automakers, for your anger.
When are you going to the library to dig up this information?
sandorski @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:08 pm
stemmer stemmer:
But IF we continue down this path of replacing capitalism with corporatism, the countries of the world will no longer be run by governments but by corporations like Toyota... BUT it's OK in your small little world Toyota is being investigated for human trafficking... I guess you sided with Jefferson Davis in the US Civil War...
Hahaha, give us a break. We know why you posted this and it has nothing to do with Corporatism, Human Rights, or any other Future World nonsense you're spewing in this thread.
Toyota > Big 3, sorry, that's just the way it is.
stemmer @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:29 pm
NO....!!! The problem is how can North American industries & corporations survive when we pay & treat our employees better then most of the world? Human trafficking is a serious problem... Is that the direction you want NA to go to compete globally?
I think a better solution is for us as North Americans to take a stand and scream at the top of our lungs "We MUST STOP being the dumping ground for other nations goods"... "We must stop thinking by our wallets but by our hearts, minds and good conscience"...
BartSimpson @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:34 pm
All I have to say is "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere".
Axeman @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:34 pm
Ripcat Ripcat:
When are you going to the library to dig up this information?
Well, since you're too lazy to do your own research. Start with all of the Big 3s anti-trust cases from the 1940s and 50s. There are over 1000, the most famous being the Tucker Auto story glorified in the Copolla film from the 80s. Then we could talk about Gms TypeIII seatbelts from the 80s or the Ford Pinto cover-up in the 70s. There was the Chevy Malibu exploding gastanks from the early 90s, with Wagoner and the obstruction of justice charges that followed. We could go on to the 2005 issue where GM again failed to report safety concerns with wipers and electric items, followed by their failure to report proper financials, which led to a $1M SEC fine. There was the 1998 "Piston Slap" case, where GM covered up piston problems, leading to $5000 in repairs for anyone with one of a dozen or so engines. There was the Ford Bronco II in the mid-80s that had all sorts of defects that led to engine and tranny problems that were known by Ford, but covered up. We haven't even gotten into Big 3 forrays into 3rd world production. That's just off the top of my head.
I could go on, but I don't like long posts. Try reading "The Myth of the Good Corporate Citizen", by Murray Dobbin or "Corporate Corruption" by Marshall Clinard.
stemmer @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:50 pm
Sorry...but none of those allegations are anywhere close to being serious as human trafficking... Not even in the same ballpark...!!!!!!
Axeman @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:58 pm
stemmer stemmer:
Sorry...but none of those allegations are anywhere close to being serious as human trafficking... Not even in the same ballpark...!!!!!!
Hmmmm, I can't think of anything worse than knowing your product will KILL your consumers, due to a known defect, then covering it up said knowledge for the sake of the bottom line.
Ripcat @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:16 pm
Axeman Axeman:
Ripcat Ripcat:
When are you going to the library to dig up this information?
Well, since you're too lazy to do your own research.....
Don't call me lazy. I wasn't the one making an argument without anything to back it up. I'm not the one that said I could find all sorts of info and then fail to provide it...
stemmer @ Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:06 pm
Axeman Axeman:
stemmer stemmer:
Sorry...but none of those allegations are anywhere close to being serious as human trafficking... Not even in the same ballpark...!!!!!!
Hmmmm, I can't think of anything worse than knowing your product will KILL your consumers, due to a known defect, then covering it up said knowledge for the sake of the bottom line.
You're comparing events that happened 30-40 years ago to something that happened months ago?