Tories drowned by calls attacking $2-million fake lake
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RUEZ @ Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:49 pm
BluesBud BluesBud:
RUEZ RUEZ:
It's a liberal circle jerk in here.
No looks like a Harper circle jerk took place in planing all of this.Come on RUEZ! You don't see the mismanagement in all this? This is becoming Harper's own "sponsorship scandal". It has nothing to do with any party affiliation. Just good Canadian fiscal common sense.
Sure, I'm not defending it. Just pointing out the juvenile level of discussion in the thread.
Proculation @ Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:12 pm
Well, we have to take in account the Summit of Quebec and others with all those anarchists.
But the lake ? really ? Is it to drown the activists ?
andyt @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:07 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
BluesBud BluesBud:
RUEZ RUEZ:
It's a liberal circle jerk in here.
No looks like a Harper circle jerk took place in planing all of this.Come on RUEZ! You don't see the mismanagement in all this? This is becoming Harper's own "sponsorship scandal". It has nothing to do with any party affiliation. Just good Canadian fiscal common sense.
Sure, I'm not defending it. Just pointing out the juvenile level of discussion in the thread.
Yep, your comment certainly raised things to an adult level.
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:17 am
Proculation Proculation:
Well, we have to take in account the Summit of Quebec and others with all those anarchists.
But the lake ? really ? Is it to drown the activists ?
But the lake ? really ? Is it to drown the activists ?
So because the conservatives are afraid of 'activists' they're spending a billion dollars of tax payer funds?
It's as bad as Chretien ever was
Apollo @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:24 am
It's $57K, not 2 million.
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:26 am
Apollo Apollo:
It's $57K, not 2 million.
The Tories say it's 57k, and of course they wouldn't hide anything from the public.
Khar @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:20 am
Considering that the spending report is publicized and the the price tag is for the entire set up, then I'd assume for this part that it's true, unless they want to risk it coming out later -- it was a big problem when it was a scandal for the liberals and I'm sure it will be for the conservatives too.
I can get the funding and making Canada look like a leading nation for companies and investment to want to come here, to begin modernizing and moving the nation beyond what it is right now a bit, but the price tag isn't going to help when it's this big to make Canada look well managed financially -- yes, it shows we can afford to do this, but the effect could be managed without tearing down a 650,000 dollar set up of this lake and the surrounding area to make it look more Muskoka-esque.
I'm not really impressed with the amount which is being spent. I can understand the drive for investment, but we could have gone around this another way, imo -- if we were going to build anything at all, it should be something for the long term, which can withstand some time and be used for other purposes later on. I think the liberals are talking sideways half the time, since it seems every week leading up to this has been a new social problem they want to talk about at the summitsf to get a rise out of the conservatives on the edgey stuff, but they do have a point here.
And seeing the liberals make a point these days is getting rarer and rarer, since the main goal seems to be roadblocking parliament these days from most MPs. =/
Arctic_Menace @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:48 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
BluesBud BluesBud:
RUEZ RUEZ:
It's a liberal circle jerk in here.
No looks like a Harper circle jerk took place in planing all of this.Come on RUEZ! You don't see the mismanagement in all this? This is becoming Harper's own "sponsorship scandal". It has nothing to do with any party affiliation. Just good Canadian fiscal common sense.
Sure, I'm not defending it. Just pointing out the juvenile level of discussion in the thread.
Oh come on. I KNOW you are better than that. Or at least, you SHOULD be.
Seriously, with comments like this, is it any wonder why DerbyX goes after you?
Zipperfish @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:34 am
Apollo Apollo:
It's $57K, not 2 million.
I don't think so. It might not be two mil for the lake, but it's a hell of a lot more than $57K. They must really think people are retarded by floating (no pun intended) the $57K number. Mind you, you fell for it.
BeaverFever @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:08 am
$57k is for the "water feature" - literally the pool of water that is supposed to be the "lake". The rest is for all the other stuff that goes with it: the phony sunset backdrop, sand for the phony beach, muskoka chairs, the canoe racks filled with real canoes actually brought in from real canoe owners in Muskoka (apparently canoes from anywhere else wouldn't do!). DId I leave anything out?
bootlegga @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:18 am
Well, I don't care that much about the dumb lake (after all, there's nothing wrong with showcasing the country), but why is money that supposed to be spent on this conference being spent 20-100 KM away from the conference site?
$1:
The opposition also zeroed in on other projects paid for with designated G8 money, such as $270,000 to build new toilets 20 kilometres away from the G8 meeting site or $1.8 million for sidewalk and park upgrades in Parry Sound, Ont., 100 kilometres away from the G8 site.
Parry Sound, the new toilets, and the G8 meeting site in Huntsville, Ont., are all within the riding of Industry Minister Tony Clement. His riding is seeing about $50 million worth of infrastructure improvements...
Parry Sound, the new toilets, and the G8 meeting site in Huntsville, Ont., are all within the riding of Industry Minister Tony Clement. His riding is seeing about $50 million worth of infrastructure improvements...
Sounds like more political pork to me...
Regina @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:47 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Well, I don't care that much about the dumb lake (after all, there's nothing wrong with showcasing the country), but why is money that supposed to be spent on this conference being spent 20-100 KM away from the conference site?
Sounds like more political pork to me...
$1:
The opposition also zeroed in on other projects paid for with designated G8 money, such as $270,000 to build new toilets 20 kilometres away from the G8 meeting site or $1.8 million for sidewalk and park upgrades in Parry Sound, Ont., 100 kilometres away from the G8 site.
Parry Sound, the new toilets, and the G8 meeting site in Huntsville, Ont., are all within the riding of Industry Minister Tony Clement. His riding is seeing about $50 million worth of infrastructure improvements...
Parry Sound, the new toilets, and the G8 meeting site in Huntsville, Ont., are all within the riding of Industry Minister Tony Clement. His riding is seeing about $50 million worth of infrastructure improvements...
Sounds like more political pork to me...
I'm in the Muskokas all the time and have been hearing about this since it was announced. The accommodations in Huntsville aren't even close to what is needed and the surrounding towns and villages are booked solid. Also from what I've been told by the locals, is that nothing is big enough to hold all the meetings there and quite a bit that needed to be moved to Toronto.
I was in Florence Italy right after a G-8 meeting years ago and it wasn't just cops out there in the streets. It was full military all over and road check points all over manned by soldiers with machine pistols. This is nothing................
Zipperfish @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:53 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
$57k is for the "water feature" - literally the pool of water that is supposed to be the "lake". The rest is for all the other stuff that goes with it: the phony sunset backdrop, sand for the phony beach, muskoka chairs, the canoe racks filled with real canoes actually brought in from real canoe owners in Muskoka (apparently canoes from anywhere else wouldn't do!). DId I leave anything out?
Labour costs, consulting and management fees.
Regina @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:55 pm
You can't even buy a Politician for $2 million...........the lake is steel !
Zipperfish @ Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:09 pm
Apparently the wags and pundits are looking for a name for the lake, but I think Fake Lake works just fine.
P.S. oh--it looks like the Conservatives have had enough and have sent their pit bull, Baird, into the fray! Nice to see the Conservatives roasting on a spit for a change.
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