Canada Kicks Ass
USA and the tar sands

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ziggy @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:45 pm

Richard Richard:
NAFTA

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Canada can do nothing to curtail oil exports to the United States, even in the event of an energy crisis.


yup,I was going to dig through the free trade agreement,think water is also involved,once we start selling it bulk to them were obligated to keep doing it.

   



Zipperfish @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:50 pm

ziggy ziggy:
Richard Richard:
NAFTA

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Canada can do nothing to curtail oil exports to the United States, even in the event of an energy crisis.


yup,I was going to dig through the free trade agreement,think water is also involved,once we start selling it bulk to them were obligated to keep doing it.


That would be true if NAFTA had any enforcement mechanism with teeth.

   



USCAdad @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:51 pm

ziggy ziggy:
Richard Richard:
NAFTA

Page 1 PRB 06-33E

Canada can do nothing to curtail oil exports to the United States, even in the event of an energy crisis.


yup,I was going to dig through the free trade agreement,think water is also involved,once we start selling it bulk to them were obligated to keep doing it.

You have it right. Everyone denies, this but it's clearly there. It was mentioned at the Banff meeting. Doris and the oil companies made a good stand against it.

   



ziggy @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:52 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
ziggy ziggy:
Richard Richard:
NAFTA

Page 1 PRB 06-33E

Canada can do nothing to curtail oil exports to the United States, even in the event of an energy crisis.


yup,I was going to dig through the free trade agreement,think water is also involved,once we start selling it bulk to them were obligated to keep doing it.


That would be true if NAFTA had any enforcement mechanism with teeth.


Good reason not to start selling them water in bulk yet.

It's worth more then gas/litre,I'm amazed there isnt a freshwater pipeline to the states yet.

   



Zipperfish @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:01 pm

ziggy ziggy:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
ziggy ziggy:
Richard Richard:
NAFTA

Page 1 PRB 06-33E

Canada can do nothing to curtail oil exports to the United States, even in the event of an energy crisis.


yup,I was going to dig through the free trade agreement,think water is also involved,once we start selling it bulk to them were obligated to keep doing it.


That would be true if NAFTA had any enforcement mechanism with teeth.


Good reason not to start selling them water in bulk yet.

It's worth more then gas/litre,I'm amazed there isnt a freshwater pipeline to the states yet.


Me too. But I just don't buy this whole "Oh if we give them a drop we have to hand over Great Slave Lake" routine, regarldess of what NAFTA says. We're sitting on a vast wealth of water, if our friends and tading partner to the the south need a bit, well I'm willing to fork over a little. That's just my opinion. I understand yours too. Water is life--I understand why people get their bristles up about it.

   



Mr_Canada old @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:14 pm

Fuckign Nafta.

   



USCAdad @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:20 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Me too. But I just don't buy this whole "Oh if we give them a drop we have to hand over Great Slave Lake" routine, regarldess of what NAFTA says.

Nafta doesn't have teeth for Canada. Once the US has the slightest legal wedge they'll take it all the way. If you believe otherwise, you're sticking your head in the sand.

   



ziggy @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:32 pm

USCAdad USCAdad:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Me too. But I just don't buy this whole "Oh if we give them a drop we have to hand over Great Slave Lake" routine, regarldess of what NAFTA says.

Nafta doesn't have teeth for Canada. Once the US has the slightest legal wedge they'll take it all the way. If you believe otherwise, you're sticking your head in the sand.


Yabut,we got enough to flood the whole USA. :wink:


off to watch southpark :wink:

   



Sapper @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:35 pm

If many will look back at what I've written before you will understand. But to clairfy; one of the reasons the US would be interested in Canada developing it's oil resources is because of instability in other producing nations. Another is because, emerging economies in China, India, et al are and will continue to demand increasing portions of the pie. It is a world push to develope untapped oil resources not just Canada.

Those who think that the US are not actively searching within the US for additional resources are not seeing the big picture. If the gas or oil is there and it is practical and economical to produce it, it will be produced.

With holding the resource would only drive the price of all other goods, from bread to widgets, up and not just here but in coutries with far less stability economically and politicaly. What is the result of that? The result is instability throughout the world.

If you think terrorists are a problem now, what do you think would happen when mass majorities of the world population can no longer purchase goods to feed their families. Recognise, that most countries' populations have a much lower standard of living than we enjoy in the west and many rely on imports.

We, in Canada, need to keep in mind the global picture when we take the attitude "it's mine and I'm going to keep it".

   



Richard @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:01 am

I don't feel we have the "it's mine and I want to keep it" attitude, rather it is a case of it's ours and we want to remain involved in the development and sale of our own resources.

   



Sapper @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:06 am

Richard Richard:
I don't feel we have the "it's mine and I want to keep it" attitude, rather it is a case of it's ours and we want to remain involved in the development and sale of our own resources.


Of course we should manage it. It already is. It's called the ERCB. The sale? What does it matter?

   



USCAdad @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:12 am

ziggy ziggy:
Yabut,we got enough to flood the whole USA. :wink:

:lol:
Too bad most of it would flow North.

I read a good article in Popular Mechanics on ice roads while waiting in the Dentist office today. It didn't seem promissing. I see that it's damn cold in Yellowknife right now. It will be interesting to see if this is a long term trend or not. Do you get any news or scuttlebut on the roads?

   



Richard @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:27 am

Sapper Sapper:
Richard Richard:
I don't feel we have the "it's mine and I want to keep it" attitude, rather it is a case of it's ours and we want to remain involved in the development and sale of our own resources.


Of course we should manage it. It already is. It's called the ERCB. The sale? What does it matter?


It matters because we have to guarantee the sales to the US based from a previous period of 36 months. No other country should have that control over "sales."

   



ziggy @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:47 am

USCAdad USCAdad:
ziggy ziggy:
Yabut,we got enough to flood the whole USA. :wink:

:lol:
Too bad most of it would flow North.

I read a good article in Popular Mechanics on ice roads while waiting in the Dentist office today. It didn't seem promissing. I see that it's damn cold in Yellowknife right now. It will be interesting to see if this is a long term trend or not. Do you get any news or scuttlebut on the roads?


Ya,talked to the boss today,it's about -40 without the windchill up there now.(Nunavut)and I think most water flows south or east on my side of the divide. :wink:

   



USCAdad @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:11 am

ziggy ziggy:
Ya,talked to the boss today,it's about -40 without the windchill up there now.(Nunavut)and I think most water flows south or east on my side of the divide. :wink:

Well good thing we have the Mountains between us in case of the big thaw. Ane good warm spell and Alberta could end up in the US afterall. :)

   



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