Wealthy Parents Arrested in College Bribery Scheme.
Sunnyways @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:12 pm
Years ago, I remember being surprised by the people profiled in a documentary about a Harvard med school class - minorities and the upper crust. They only included one lower middle class guy paying his own way. Fortunately, medical careers aren’t forever blighted by graduating from a low-status med school but some lines of work are snobbier in that regard. Many pre-clinical medical subjects, e.g. pathology, can be learned just as well online free of charge.
rickc @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:18 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Thanos Thanos:
I don't know why you felt the partisan affiliation of the participants is what's important here. What's significant is that this is how rich people behave, how they've always behaved, and how they always will behave. Who they vote for is irrelevant and if you think there aren't a shit-load of rich Republicans out there right now who aren't gaming the system themselves in the favour of themselves and for their shitty children then you're being deliberately blind.
This is how the wealthy regard ALL of us:
Anyone who disputes this is a fool. Or, even worse, they who play the irrelevant "which party do you belong to?" game while these scum-sucking rich parasites are laughing at us is just doing the work of dividing us with irrelevancies, and all that does is ensure the rich will keep winning forever.
Wake up.
This is how the wealthy regard ALL of us:
Anyone who disputes this is a fool. Or, even worse, they who play the irrelevant "which party do you belong to?" game while these scum-sucking rich parasites are laughing at us is just doing the work of dividing us with irrelevancies, and all that does is ensure the rich will keep winning forever.
Wake up.
Yep, no doubt.
Does anyone here think George W. Bush got into Yale and Harvard because he was smart or because his dad was a war hero and Congressman?
This kind of BS crosses party lines and Thanos nails it right on the head here.
George W. Bush got into Yale in 1964. His father was not elected into Congress until 1966, 2 years later. So much for a Congressman pulling strings for his kid to get into Yale. George H.W. Bush was shot down in WW2 and survived. Thousands of American airmen were shot down during WW2. Hundreds of thousands of veterans had came home from WW2, and Korea. Its not like George H.W. Bush was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, or sunk an aircraft carrier by himself. He was just another face in the crowd in 1962. No one nationally had ever heard of George H.W. Bush in 1962.
You ask if anyone here thinks that George W. Bush got into Yale because he was smart. I say yes. George W. Bush went to high school at Phillips Academy in Andover MA. Phillips Academy is one of the most prestigious prep schools in the world. Its also known as "the pipeline to Yale".
https://www.businessinsider.com/phillip ... nd-yale-13
No school as sent more graduates to Yale than Phillips. You see before this cheating scandal the way parents could almost guarantee that their kids went to an ivy league school was to send their kids to a school like Phillips. Daddy's money may have gotten W. into Phillips, but junior still had to put the work in. Phillips is not going to carry anyone. They do not have to. There are thousands of people looking to fill those slots.
Thanos @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:19 pm
Amazing that the core pride of the United States is in kicking out the British aristocracy yet they have a horrible class-based snobbery that rivals anything that can be found in the upper ranks of any of the old monarchies.
Sunnyways @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:33 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Amazing that the core pride of the United States is in kicking out the British aristocracy yet they have a horrible class-based snobbery that rivals anything that can be found in any of the old monarchies.
It’s a human thing. We’re all about status display.
There’s a national element to this as well. In medicine, some of the concerns about certain foreign med schools are legit but it’s funny how doctors can retain those negative opinions when an excellent candidate stands before them. I’ve seen Canadians who couldn’t get into Canadian schools on marks go to the Carribean or Europe and come back far better skilled than their local peers. Needless to say, the locals still assume they are superior despite the evidence in front of their snouts because Canada etc. This myopia also applies to immigrants. We reject many foreign grads on the basis of their country of origin. Imagine if Silicon Valley did that.
Douwe @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:44 pm
rickc rickc:
George W. Bush got into Yale in 1964. His father was not elected into Congress until 1966, 2 years later. So much for a Congressman pulling strings for his kid to get into Yale. George H.W. Bush was shot down in WW2 and survived. Thousands of American airmen were shot down during WW2. Hundreds of thousands of veterans had came home from WW2, and Korea. Its not like George H.W. Bush was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, or sunk an aircraft carrier by himself. He was just another face in the crowd in 1962. No one nationally had ever heard of George H.W. Bush in 1962.
Actually it appears that G.W. got into Yale precisely because of who his father was. Here is a quote from the link that follows:
Bush was admitted to Yale in 1964 under an affirmative-action policy for children of alumni — what colleges call a “legacy” system. “Legacy” policies — preferential treatment of children of alumni — are the quintessential example of the “old boys network.” Colleges view them as a way to get into the pockets of rich alumni. Admit my child and I am more likely to increase my donations to my alma mater — or at least maintain whatever level of giving worked to help get my child in there.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dr ... 14680.html
The moneyed elite in the US have always had ways of giving their children preferential treatment. The Bush family was no different.
Freakinoldguy @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:01 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
llama66 llama66:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
So let me get this straight. It's okay for foreign students to pay outrageous sums of money to get into American and Canadian Universities but, when an American or Canadian does it, they're suddenly criminals. 
The only criminals in this scenario are the Universities who allow these practices to happen and the only way it'll stop is to treat everyone the same. I can't think of any other education institution in the world where you pay outrageous amounts of money and are then told by some pipe smoking twat in an elbow patched herring bone coat that, you'd better get up early because the money you paid only gets you in the door and is no guarantee that you'll get the classes required for the degree you want.
People are pissed when they find the airlines oversell seats but have no problem paying large amounts of money to have some University do the same thing to their kids.
The only criminals in this scenario are the Universities who allow these practices to happen and the only way it'll stop is to treat everyone the same. I can't think of any other education institution in the world where you pay outrageous amounts of money and are then told by some pipe smoking twat in an elbow patched herring bone coat that, you'd better get up early because the money you paid only gets you in the door and is no guarantee that you'll get the classes required for the degree you want.
People are pissed when they find the airlines oversell seats but have no problem paying large amounts of money to have some University do the same thing to their kids.
ANYONE who BRIBES or makes or gives MISLEADING information for the sole purpose for their own benefit is a criminal. I don't care if you're from Sudbury or Saudi Arabia... If you bribe people to get your undeserving little shitwad chid into University or College then that little fuckwad ought to be expelled and you should be sent to jail. I'm a firm believer in Equality of Opportunity.... Everyone has the right for the opportunity for post secondary education. This is also believe Universities and Colleges should be free. Therefore money plays no role in who goes.... grades do. As it should be.
Amen.
But foreign students pay to attend Canadian schools, because they don't pay Canadian taxes that fund the schools.
And they're still taking a seat from a Canadian kid who may be more deserving. So it's the same thing as the rich assholes are doing for their kids and just because they don't "pay taxes" isn't really relevant.
rickc @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:28 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
This whole thing is just another lesson on how the US favours the rich, and keeps the poor where they are. The dream that you can try hard, study hard, improve yourself and make yourself a success based on your merits is a lie.
You can work as hard as you like, but the rich kid will supplant you for that educational spot because he's going to try out for the LaCrosse team. He won't make it, because he's never played LaCrosse before. But then again, neither will your hard work get you what you want.
You can work as hard as you like, but the rich kid will supplant you for that educational spot because he's going to try out for the LaCrosse team. He won't make it, because he's never played LaCrosse before. But then again, neither will your hard work get you what you want.
I am sorry. There is no polite way to say this but that is total bullshit. The most glaring example to disprove what you said would be Jeff Bezos. His mother was a 17 year old high school student when he was born. His step dad was an immigrant from Cuba (imagine anyone leaving that socialist paradise) who graduated from the University of New Mexico and worked as an engineer at Exxon. Hardly sounds like old money and ivy league schools to me. Jeff worked at McDonalds while he attended high school. His hard work and good grades got him into Princeton. His hard work and ambition has made him the richest man in the world.
In your own lifetime there have been several Presidents of the U.S. that were born poor. They had no old money. They had no political connections or family name to fall back on. They all went on to become the most powerful man on the planet. Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Ronald W. Reagan, William J. Clinton, and Barack H. Obama, all came from humble roots. No old money. No pedigree. No family name. (To be fair Jimmy Carter's family had some money, but its not like they were fantastically wealthy. He probably would not have attended Annapolis if his family was super rich. He could have chosen a much easier path in life.) All of these men from all political spectrums have came from nothing, and worked their way to the White House. All of this in YOUR lifetime. This is not ancient history. Do not tell me that the game is rigged and that you cannot succeed. That is total bullshit. That is what the left tells their voters as they hand out their meager welfare checks. They need to keep these people hooked on the system to keep their votes. They give them just enough to survive and then try to blame their lot in life on the rich. If the rich would just pay more, than the poor would have a better life. It is obvious who is keeping this class warfare going. They never tell them to get off of their asses and apply themselves. They might actually succeed in life and start voting Republican.
rickc @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:09 pm
Douwe Douwe:
rickc rickc:
George W. Bush got into Yale in 1964. His father was not elected into Congress until 1966, 2 years later. So much for a Congressman pulling strings for his kid to get into Yale. George H.W. Bush was shot down in WW2 and survived. Thousands of American airmen were shot down during WW2. Hundreds of thousands of veterans had came home from WW2, and Korea. Its not like George H.W. Bush was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, or sunk an aircraft carrier by himself. He was just another face in the crowd in 1962. No one nationally had ever heard of George H.W. Bush in 1962.
Actually it appears that G.W. got into Yale precisely because of who his father was. Here is a quote from the link that follows:
Bush was admitted to Yale in 1964 under an affirmative-action policy for children of alumni — what colleges call a “legacy” system. “Legacy” policies — preferential treatment of children of alumni — are the quintessential example of the “old boys network.” Colleges view them as a way to get into the pockets of rich alumni. Admit my child and I am more likely to increase my donations to my alma mater — or at least maintain whatever level of giving worked to help get my child in there.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dr ... 14680.html
The moneyed elite in the US have always had ways of giving their children preferential treatment. The Bush family was no different.
Huffington post is a mouthpiece for the left. They do not work at Yale admissions do they? They have no idea how W. got into Yale. They are passing their opinion off as fact. The fact of the matter is that W. graduated from "the pipeline to Yale". He played sports at Phillips Academy. Athletes get lower academic scores to attend university. That is why all of these cheating parents are paying good money to pretend that their kids play sports. W did play sports at Yale as well.
Legacy does exist. It is a real thing. Schools want your money. That is their right. The rich will always have advantages over the poor. That has been true since the world started spinning. It will be true until it stops spinning. Legacy could have played a part in W getting into Yale. It is horseshit for someone who is not in the know to pass off opinions as facts. What if someone on the right was claiming that the only reason that Barack Obama got a scholarship to a private school in Hawaii was because he was black? Is that fair? Do we get to tear down everything that he accomplished in life because maybe he had an unfair advantage in high school? It COULD be true, couldn't it? How many more gifted people were denied a spot at that school because of racial preference? We can argue that affirmative action costs gifted students a lot more seats in prestigious schools than legacy does. If we are going to get rid of one than we need to get rid of the other as well. If we went to a grade based only admissions process than the colleges in the U.S. would be majority Asian, followed by Caucasian. Followed by Hispanics. The blacks would pretty much be squeezed out. They would drop to the low single digits. Is that what we want? If someone is going to complain about daddy's money giving someone an unfair advantage in getting into school, than we have to also heat arguments about someone's skin color giving them an unfair advantage as well. Is it fair that Native Americans go to college for free in many states? Why do I have to pay?
BRAH @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:07 am
Hallmark dropped Lori Loughin costing hundreds of jobs, thanks Aunt Becky.
DrCaleb @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:47 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
llama66 llama66:
ANYONE who BRIBES or makes or gives MISLEADING information for the sole purpose for their own benefit is a criminal. I don't care if you're from Sudbury or Saudi Arabia... If you bribe people to get your undeserving little shitwad chid into University or College then that little fuckwad ought to be expelled and you should be sent to jail. I'm a firm believer in Equality of Opportunity.... Everyone has the right for the opportunity for post secondary education. This is also believe Universities and Colleges should be free. Therefore money plays no role in who goes.... grades do. As it should be.
Amen.
But foreign students pay to attend Canadian schools, because they don't pay Canadian taxes that fund the schools.
And they're still taking a seat from a Canadian kid who may be more deserving. So it's the same thing as the rich assholes are doing for their kids and just because they don't "pay taxes" isn't really relevant.
It's quite relevant, because I've never heard of these sort of incidents happening in Canada. I'm sure there is some preferential treatment here and there, but our admissions system is quite different and less subject to abuse.
And Canadian institutions don't prioritize foreign students over citizens, although they have been trying lately.
DrCaleb @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:51 am
rickc rickc:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
This whole thing is just another lesson on how the US favours the rich, and keeps the poor where they are. The dream that you can try hard, study hard, improve yourself and make yourself a success based on your merits is a lie.
You can work as hard as you like, but the rich kid will supplant you for that educational spot because he's going to try out for the LaCrosse team. He won't make it, because he's never played LaCrosse before. But then again, neither will your hard work get you what you want.
You can work as hard as you like, but the rich kid will supplant you for that educational spot because he's going to try out for the LaCrosse team. He won't make it, because he's never played LaCrosse before. But then again, neither will your hard work get you what you want.
I am sorry. There is no polite way to say this but that is total bullshit. The most glaring example to disprove what you said would be Jeff Bezos. His mother was a 17 year old high school student when he was born. His step dad was an immigrant from Cuba (imagine anyone leaving that socialist paradise) who graduated from the University of New Mexico and worked as an engineer at Exxon. Hardly sounds like old money and ivy league schools to me. Jeff worked at McDonalds while he attended high school. His hard work and good grades got him into Princeton. His hard work and ambition has made him the richest man in the world.
In your own lifetime there have been several Presidents of the U.S. that were born poor. They had no old money. They had no political connections or family name to fall back on. They all went on to become the most powerful man on the planet. Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Ronald W. Reagan, William J. Clinton, and Barack H. Obama, all came from humble roots. No old money. No pedigree. No family name. (To be fair Jimmy Carter's family had some money, but its not like they were fantastically wealthy. He probably would not have attended Annapolis if his family was super rich. He could have chosen a much easier path in life.) All of these men from all political spectrums have came from nothing, and worked their way to the White House. All of this in YOUR lifetime. This is not ancient history. Do not tell me that the game is rigged and that you cannot succeed. That is total bullshit. That is what the left tells their voters as they hand out their meager welfare checks. They need to keep these people hooked on the system to keep their votes. They give them just enough to survive and then try to blame their lot in life on the rich. If the rich would just pay more, than the poor would have a better life. It is obvious who is keeping this class warfare going. They never tell them to get off of their asses and apply themselves. They might actually succeed in life and start voting Republican.
You cite people who have managed to use the system to their advantage, as it was intended to be. There are plenty of stories like these.
But how many can you not site because they couldn't get into college because some rich kid with bad marks took their spot? Now they work in some menial job at a plant somewhere producing widgets.
Tricks @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:38 am
^
Being able to pick 10 people in the last 50 years who fit the American Dream doesn't stop the American Dream from being complete horseshit.
llama66 @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:44 am
Just sayin'
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the ... to-canada/
peck420 @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:44 am
FYI:
In regards to Bush.
GW's grandfather was a Yale graduate, and a Yale Corporation member from 44-56, as well as a banker with countless fiscal ties to the Yale Corporation afterwards.
Prescott's legacy pretty much guarantees a 'Bush' to Yale, and probably will for a long time.
BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:09 am
Tricks Tricks:
^
Being able to pick 10 people in the last 50 years who fit the American Dream doesn't stop the American Dream from being complete horseshit.
Being able to pick 10 people in the last 50 years who fit the American Dream doesn't stop the American Dream from being complete horseshit.
I came from a family of Scots-Irish white trash. I had a drunken abusive gambler for a father and a distant narcissist for a mother. My sister was sexually abused by my father and he used to beat the shit out of my brother and I. My brother and sister used to put up with my father's shit and at age fifteen he came at me one day and I decked the motherfucker.
The only good thing the bastard did for me was to sign off for me when I joined the Corps at seventeen.
Despite all of this shit I struggled with my own impulses to find a better path and managed to have a marriage that's lasted thirty-one years, I'm debt free, I'm not an alcoholic, I don't do drugs, I'm the only member of my immediate family who's never filed bankruptcy, and my wife and I have parlayed a wise real estate purchase in Victoria into very significant holdings.
There is an American Dream but you have to go get it for yourself and not sit on your ass expecting someone to hand it to you and you can't vote for some goddamn socialist in the expectation that they'll steal it from someone else and give it to you.
It takes hard work, sacrifice, and discipline.
But it can be done. I am proof.