Family of slain Toronto teen remembers their 'bright light'

My deepest sympathy to the family ,and friends of this very young lady .
How can we, as Canadians ,caring ,and compassionate people change the ideals of these immigrants who enter into this country, teach them that Canada is suppose to be a peaceful place to live , and we as Canadians will not tolerate these acts of violence .
The question is who are responsible for these teenagers , parents who don`t give a care ?

I don't think it is a lost cause. People are awakening.

Bee, we are not all "compassionate people" / socialists. Immigrants should know our laws, and be taught them when they enter Canada. That being said, we should accept as few immigrants as possible from even the most traditional sources--NOT the MOST immigrants as possible.

We should also not accept immigrants from violent, failed nations and incompatible alien cultures who don't suit our society and should throw the book at/and/or deport immigrants and even descendants of immigrants who break our laws.

Bull. Poverty does not cause crime. Crime is cultural and inherited, nuture and narture. There is also some degree of CHOICE, but some groups have a harder time controlling themselves than others.

jensonj, you have completely twisted and misinterpreted what I said. By ALL MEANS, people shoudl stand up to criminals. This being said, what makes you think nobody is? I don't know where you live in Canada, but Toronto is different.

There are so many immigrants in Toronto they are now the majority. It is also hard for the brainwashed, propagandized white population (the "old" Canada) to stand up to this when they have been taught from a young age for over 50 years that "racism" is the evilest thing in the world--that is, white racism. Asian, black and other racism is okay.

It is also obscene to expect average citizens to stand up to gun-toting criminals when they don't even know who committed the crime--the Liberal media and cops REFUSED to even issue a sketch of the murderer's face because they didn't want everyone to know that he is black--which we now know.

Also, it would take a huge crowd of several thousand to stand up to these gangs as we saw in Australia when Australians stood up to the Lebanese, but Toronto is not nearly that violent yet and there is not one obvious target so Torontonians don't know what to do....those who even understand we have a problem.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

"They are not oppressed any more than a poor white kid in Scotland or Russia."

absolutely. they aren't oppressed, they're babied and conditioned to believe they're oppressed by white ultra-liberals who have contempt for poor and working-class white people, and pity and condenscension for minorities "oppressed" by those horrible lower-class whites. who's the real racist here?

"Poverty leads to stress but many of these drug-dealing gangmembers are actually making more money dealing drugs than they would working."

right again. this violence is almost always about drug dealing and tuft wars. drug dealers have an obscene profit margin, which is why they're soo desperate to hold on and expand what they have, to the point of engaging in ultra-violent behavior without a moments hesitation. they're high on money. there are ways their profits can be greatly marginalized but i don't know if society, canadian,american, or others, have the guts to do what it takes. of course, many would argue the gangsters would just move on to something else and they're probably right. that said, this problem appears to have alot to do mostly with culture,environment, and even possibly in some form or another,genetics, rather than economics.

I apologize for the misunderstanding but I don’t see where or why you think things are different for immigrants in there values compared to English / French Canadian or White Canadian values?

I have friends from about every culture / part of the world and yes in their home countries things work differently as well as things we would consider criminal here are excepted ways of doing or taking care of business there.

This being said, these same people think, as we do that these ways of doing things in their home countries are wrong but are tolerated because it has always been done this way. In other words it is not right but excepted just the same.

The vast majority of people hold the same values as we do no matter where they come from. People will stand up if the community, city, Provincial and Country’s leaders stand up and lead the way. Problem is that we here that we need military intervention, the FBI or CIA, the rap and hip hop music banned etc. when all we need is that we start standing up and rallying against these people as well as reporting these people to the authorities no matter if we are related to them or they are our own children.

The values that we hold must be enforced and encouraged by us as a people and as a community so those people in the community will come forward with confidence that they too can make a difference and help change things for their children for the better.

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Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.

Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.

Well, what I see here, is that we`re all being played! Again, the rich at the top play divide and conquer by how they administer policy! Just like rich blacks like Oprah Winfrey act as though all is well in the world( Her words-'life is good') so do rich whites, or rich hindu`s or rich Chinese, etc. Rich amerindians even sell out their own. Now, of course if you bring violent people into the country, they`re going to shock us! And we can`t forget the greed factor. White mafioso`s and Hell`s Angels also kill! So my solution is this: Yes to tougher sentencing for violent crime- in fact, LIFE for murder, and I mean, you don`t get out! Yes to reduced immigration numbers, so that we can better screen be they from England, Jamaica, or Mars. Yes to better public education in all neighbourhoods, and yes to universal access to post-secondary education, so that kids have some hope! Yes to public health care, so there`s a better kick at the economic can! And yes to promoting a culture of helping and sharing, as opposed to what we see being promoted today, you know, glorifying gangsta`s and bikers and sociopathic corporatism. We CAN live together. It`s about education, and security for all. This will return Canada to a more humane state as we saw in the 50`s to the early 80`s. But since we`ve seen cuts in health care, education, and the loss of good paying jobs, not to mention more corrupt government, no wonder we`ve witnessed the decline we`ve seen in the last 20 years! Violence and crime are not race related. They are greed and survival mode related! All races are guilty of, or victims of, those two! Let`s get it together! We outnumber the exploiters and the divide and conquer tyrants. - Dave Ruston

As my Efficiency Principle says: "Costs can not be cut, only transferred on other sectors, the environment and the future"

African slaves have been imported by whites to the Americas for "economic reasons", as "cheap labour". The indigenous races, all over the world, have been vandalized, colonized and enslaved, stripped of their lands and resources by whites, also for "economic reasons", and as "cheap labour".

African Arabs and Asians have been imported into Europe by whites, also for "economic reasons" as "cheap labour".

So, now it is paying time of the real costs with major interests. So, why the complaints?

If we'd go into the most expensive restraurant in the city inviting our friends for dinner, with $10. in our pockets, sooner, or later, we'd be in trouble and paying a very high price for our stupidity. Yet we're coming up with economic theories of the same mindset time after time, century after century, so why are we surprised when the outcomes are always disasters ?

Just wait what will happen when this present "free market, globalization" fraud runs its criminal, "cost cutting, cheap labour" course.

Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

I agree with some of whaqt you said Dave but violence and crime ARE race related in MANY cases. This is NOT to say race is the casue of all crime, only that some races are morelikely to committ certain crimes than others.

Of the recent shootings in Toronto over the last few months, over 55% were committed by blacks even though blacks make up only 7% of Toronto's population. DUUUHHH.

Thank you for the response jensonj. I agree with part of what you say, but I reject the notion we shoudl have to "rally" to simply get along with each other. Why not simply reduce immigration and onyl acfept immigrants from similar cultures?

The above ties in with my main criticism of your argument. You argue that all people "basically shar ehte same values" and this is fundamentally untrue from what I've seen. There ARE people from all backgrounds who have been "westernized", but cities like Toronto and Vancouver are so diverse that it is simply impossible to assimliate people who have become the majority of the cities.

Toronto is full of ethnic ghettos that are not reflective of the few people who have assimliated. There may have been a number of people we could have successfully assimilated but this was passed 15 or 20 years ago. Also, our government specifically tells people NOT to assimilate and even PAYS THEM taxpayers dollars to promote their foreign culture in Canada at the majority's expense and at the erosion of the majority culture.

You simply can't convince me that people who come from countries that mutilate the genitals of 4-year old girls, (Somlia) have many single parent homes and high murder rates (Africa and the Caribbean) and very different worldviews and cuisines (Asia especially) are "basically the same". There are both cultural and biological reasons they think differently, feel differently about the world around them. The shear number of these people will eventually ruin us.

There are also sects of Islam that believe pets are filthy and women are whores that can justifiably be raped if they show any skin, as has happened in Norway, Australia, Sweden and France. There are Muslims who hate Jews more openly than any European, Sikhs who bombed Air India thanks to our immigration policy, and so on.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

Ed Deak that is very unfair. Nobody is saying that we agree with the corporate pursuit of cheap labour, but why should working-class Europeans and working middle-class Europeans have to live with this? The majority does not deserve to be punished for decisions we did not make in this and in past generations.

Also, you can yammer on about the "evils of colonization" but the disaster de-colonization has demonstrated that colonization actually had a lot of benefits. Haiti has been a disaster for 200 years since gaining its independence from France. South Africa is a disaster under black rule. It was a first world country under white rule.

Your generation Mr. Deak was responsible declaring Hitler evil for being racist while doing business with communist nations like China (and the Soviets covertly)that both killed ten times more people.

Your generation Mr. Deak (as you still clearly demonstrate in your frequently protesty posts) has shown zero interest in defending the western world from massive third world immigration, so don't blabber on in righteous indignation at anyone who is courageous enough to challenge the AWFUL state Canada is in thanks to the doddering fools of "the greatest generation" (your generation) who killed each other in Europe to open Europe to communism while telling us how evil western capitalism is today.

Average Canadians did NOT make the decision to import cheap labour.

Also, don't white about how Africa was "raped of its resources", much of which the indigenour population did not even know was there--which says something right there.

I really can't stand the tripe you old fools come up with.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

And what, if anything, does this have to do with a murder case? One criminal, one victim. Justice should be blind, especially to such meaningless things as skin colour!

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Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.

I agree Jesse that justice should be blind to skin colour--which is why I think that black criminals should be punished as severely as any white murderer. People like Paul Bernardo become famous for their awful deeds (and rightfully so) but these types of perverted crimes are much more common in other communities but rarely reported with the same enthusiasm.

This being said, skin colour is not meaningless. Well, colour might be purely cosmetic but race is not. Anthropologists will tell you that it is easier to determine someone's race by looking at the bones of a skeleton than the colour of a person's skin.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

Well , I believe Canadians are a lot more compassionate then people in most other countries , we are well known for that all acrossed the world . As for liberal , who said anything about being a liberal , you do not know what my political point of view is . About not letting immigrants into this country ...wonder what the native people of this land thought before all our ancestors arrived in this country , no one ever cares to think about that , do they? ...or do they ? As for people coming to Canada from other countries , I agree they need to keep their politics back home , and not bring it to this country .