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So what hell holes? You ex military?

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

   

A lil Quotes I found in one of my books, when I went to Bosnia.

Peacekeeping is not a job for soldiers, but only soldiers can do it.

- Dag HammarskjÃld Former UN Secretary-General



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27 in the military, 9 tours.

   

Peace and freedom will only come to those who are willing to risk their lives for it.
- A cadet of the 28 canadian service battalion


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27 in the military, 9 tours.

   

I'd be very happy to risk my life for peace and freedom. The question is who will decide what peace and freedom really are ?

Millions of Germans and satellites died in WW2, fighting for
"Freedom, Christianity and Western Civilization". They went into battle sprinkled with holy water by their padres and urged to fight for the "leader with the cross on his chest", named Adolf Hitler, and "those who'll die will sit at the right hand of Jesus Christ."

All units, even most of the SS, had their contingent of Christian padres. I knew 2 Catholic priests in the DP camps after the war, who used to be SS padres with the rank of captain, or Hauptsturmfuehrer. One of them told me : "I admire anybody's skills with a rifle, but I preferred a submachinegun".

On the Allied side the same crap went on. Bomber crews were blessed and prayed over before they flew off to destroy and kill civilian cities, because they couldn't hit military targets. There was a big hue and cry by the veterans a few years ago, when a CBCTV series uncovered the truths and facts behind the terror bombing of Europe. The truth sure hurts when it comes to military heroics.

Well armyguy, have you ever found your sister machinegun squad with their throats cut, lying beside a road in the woods? Except their sergeant. He was waiting for us, screaming his stupid head off when we got back to the division. Another kid managed to escape. He told us that the last they saw of their sergeant was when he was disappearing behind the corner of a barn. Nobody asked him what happened to his men.

Or the heroic, medal hungry second lieutenant, who gathered up about a hundred of us, the rearguard of the rearguard, and ordered a counterattack against an army with tanks. They went around us and by the time we broke out, there were only 30 of us left. I was hit by up to 20 bullets, all my gear was in shreds, but without a scratch. I still have 2 bent cartridges where a sniper shot me in the stomach, but it ricocheted off my cartridge pouch. Nobody ever asked the sob what happened to the other 70.

Have you ever been ordered to shoot the wounded, trapped and screaming between the lines, as I was ? Even if they were so called "enemies"?

General Hillier is a typical parade buffoon, who goes to bed every night dreaming of wearing an American uniform. He may even have one tucked away in a cupboard, so he can parade in it in front of a mirror now and then.

If Canada was invaded and occupied by the US, at least 75% of the officers and NCOs would jump at the opportunity of joining up in the US forces.

As the Germans have when their country was divided. Most of the post WW2 French Foreign Legion were ex Germans, and satellites, with the Hungarian NCOs famed for their brutality even in that sadistic gang. Whole ex SS units were reported fighting in Indochina for the French, marching with their old nazi songs.

I suppose they were all "fighting for freedom". I used to believe in that kind of crap when I was a cadet, but learned my lesson and have no illusions left about any military. When I was lying in bed in the hospital, I had a lot of time to think and decide that no goddamn politician, or officer, will ever again send me to kill anybody, or get killed, unless I decided that it was the right thing to do.

Ed Deak.

   

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<a href="http://www.indexoftheweb.com/911Why.htm">http://www.indexoftheweb.com/911Why.htm</a><br />
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The Problem Reaction Solution Paradigm (The Hegelian Dialectic)<br />
1) The government creates or exploits a problem blaming it on others<br />
2) The people react by asking the government for help willing to give up their rights<br />
3) The government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis<br />
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<a href="http://www.propagandamatrix.com/diocletian.html">http://www.propagandamatrix.com/diocletian.html</a><br />
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N CONCLUSION: ELITES CREATE ENEMIES IN ORDER TO RE-ORDER SOCIETY IN THEIR OWN TYRANNICAL IMAGE. THEY DO SO BY COMMITTING ACTS OF TERRORISM AGAINST THEIR OWN BUILDINGS AND BEAURACRACIES, THEN CHOOSING THE SCAPEGOAT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE 21ST CENTURY IS THAT THESE 'ENEMIES' ARE MORE BELIEVABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN MANUFACTURED AND EMPOWERED BY THE ELITE. I WISH TO DRAW NO COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE 4TH CENTURY CHRISTIANS AND AL-QAEDA, BUT THEY WERE BOTH USED FOR THE SAME PURPOSE: TO BRING ORDER OUT OF CHAOS.<br />
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AND REMEMBER...<br />
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"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it."<br />
&#8212; George Santayana.<p>---<br>Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding. <br />
Ezra Pound<br />
The only good is knowledge...

   

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<a href="http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/opin/pr_sirnosir.html">http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/opin/pr_sirnosir.html</a><br />
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When A Marine Speaks Truth To Power: Why I Stand By My Interview With Sgt.<br />
Jimmy Massey<br />
by Paul Rockwell<br />
Oakland, California<br />
<br />
<br />
I first interviewed Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey for the Sacramento Bee, May<br />
16, 2003. The tall, hard-core Marine who served his country for over 12<br />
years once trained infantry soldiers at boot camp on Parris Island, South<br />
Carolina. He was a recruiter in Waynesville, North Carolina, before he began<br />
that fateful march -- "the evil journey" -- toward Baghdad in 2003.<br />
<br />
When I talked with him a year and a half ago, he was open, direct, willing<br />
to answer any kind of question. But it was painful for the homeboy from the<br />
Smoky Mountains of North Carolina to recall the horrific events which<br />
changed his life forever. In the Sacramento Bee interview, "I Killed<br />
Innocent People For My government," Massey not only expressed remorse for<br />
killing innocent civilians, he called attention to the systematic war crimes<br />
of American commanders, for whom Iraqi life is cheap. He talked freely about<br />
the illegal use of cluster bombs, the effects of depleted uranium, the<br />
pattern of checkpoint massacres. In short, he blew the whistle on the Marine<br />
Corps to which he was devoted, with full knowledge that, like all<br />
truthtellers in war, he would eventually face virulent attacks.<br />
<br />
Many of the episodes -- the experiences that turned Massey not only against<br />
the war, but against the misogynist and racist culture of Marine life -- are<br />
now recounted in full in his forthcoming book, Cowboys From Hell. It's an<br />
autobiography the Marine Corps does not want published.<br />
<br />
Cowboys From Hell is a kind of Pentagon Papers of the Marines. In his<br />
confessions we see Massey's platoon gun down a man with his hands up.<br />
Demonstrators are shot. An unarmed driver in a Mercedes is shot dead at a<br />
checkpoint. Two occupants of a Toyota are wrongly killed. Wounded by<br />
American bombing, a small child dies in the arms of one of Massey's buddies.<br />
When Marines fire 50-caliber rounds into a tractor, a sixty-year-old man<br />
loses his livelihood. In one definitive episode,when three occupants of a<br />
car are massacred at a checkpoint, a survivor on the ground looks up at<br />
Massey and says: "Why did you kill my brother? He did nothing wrong."<br />
<br />
With co-author Natasha Saulnier, who helped corroborate Massey's story,<br />
Massey also describes the kind of anti-Arab hatred that drives the military<br />
conduct of the war. In one episode, the 5th Marines ransack the Rasheed<br />
military compound. Office windows are smashed, cabinets overturned. Massey<br />
remembers a picture of a penis going into Saddam Hussein's mouth. The 5th<br />
Marines spray paint vaginas on the walls next to racist graffiti -- "Fuck<br />
you Hajjis." Anti-Arab racism is ubiquitous.<br />
<br />
Here is a story that destroys the myth of American virtue, the ideological<br />
cocoon in which some journalists are still embedded.<br />
<br />
Harris Makes False Claims Against Massey<br />
<br />
On November 5, 2005 -- a year and a half after Massey made his revelations<br />
public -- the St. Louis Post Dispatch published a front-page attack on the<br />
outspoken Marine. Ron Harris, a pro-war, embedded correspondent, questioned<br />
Massey's claims about civilian carnage. He challenged Massey's personal<br />
motives, the veracity of his story, and called him a liar. Subsequently,<br />
Harris launched a campaign against Massey in the mainstream media.<br />
Jingoistic papers, like the New York Post, quickly published the Harris<br />
attack. The Sacramento Bee also buckled under pressure. According to<br />
editorial page editor David Holwerk, the Bee should "have done more to check<br />
on Massey's charges." Before its disclaimer, the editors never consulted<br />
with me, the author of the original article. And according to Jimmy Massey,<br />
the Bee never even discussed the issues raised by Harris with Massey<br />
himself. In an editorial a week after the Bee's mea culpa (fraught with<br />
ambiguity) the paper called for a continuation of the occupation.<br />
<br />
I welcome an opportunity to respond to the Harris charges. I stand by my<br />
interviews with the man who, at great expense to himself, speaks truth to<br />
power. Massey's story is corroborated, and it is authentic. He is one of the<br />
most cogent, decent persons I have interviewed in 20 years of journalism. In<br />
contrast, his detractor is a jingoist whose own dispatches from Iraq are<br />
full of inaccuracies, omissions, fawning praise for commanders who made huge<br />
mistakes of judgment and who sent Marines to their death on the basis of<br />
fraud. On April 14, 2003, in a final dispatch from his first tour (he<br />
mistakenly believed it would be his last), Harris proclaimed an end to the<br />
war two weeks before Bush made a fool of himself proclaiming mission<br />
accomplished from the USS Abraham Lincoln. Like Judith Miller, who promoted<br />
fantasies of weapons of mass destruction in the New York Times, Harris "got<br />
it wrong." Unlike Massey and independent journalists, Harris never saw the<br />
resistance coming because he relied completely on the self-serving claims of<br />
the officers with whom he was embedded. Journalists who announced victory in<br />
April 2003 were oblivious to the seething discontent and the reckless<br />
killing of innocent Iraqis that caused it.<br />
<br />
There are two key reasons why Massey deserves our trust and why Harris<br />
deserves our derision.<br />
<br />
* Contrary to Harris, Massey's claims about civilian casualties are<br />
corroborated on tape by his own platoon members<br />
<br />
On CNN, Ron Harris claimed that "nobody checked Massey's story." "Nobody<br />
ever interviewed the Marines."<br />
<br />
Harris and CNN are wrong. A Danish journalist and an independent journalist<br />
in the U.S., Massey's own publisher and co-author were all involved in<br />
gathering testimony. Here are some of the recorded remarks of platoon<br />
members regarding the killing of innocent civilians:<br />
<br />
One platoon member from Camp Pendleton, California, states, "Civilians get<br />
in the way. Yes, there were civilian casualties, women and children as<br />
well....We didn't check them up to see if they had weapons. Yes, that was at<br />
the checkpoint where all the stuff happened."<br />
<br />
Regarding shooting of women and children, another said, "We were all pissed<br />
off. Nobody was doing it on purpose."<br />
<br />
Another conceded, "Jimmy was just as much a part of what we were doing. We<br />
were assuming they were terrorists. There were no explosives."<br />
<br />
In typical jarhead language, another revealed, "Iraqis had it coming.<br />
They're<br />
scumbags anyway."<br />
<br />
The St. Louis Post Dispatch still refuses to publish Massey's point-by-point<br />
answer to Harris.<br />
<br />
* The Harris claims against Massey contradict the official, early statements<br />
from the Marine Corps itself<br />
<br />
For a long time, the Marine Corps tried to ignore -- or rather it tried to<br />
bury -- the Massey story. Massey's platoon members were told to avoid making<br />
comments. The Marine Corps confiscated Massey's address book and cut off<br />
communication with his comrades. When Massey hired his own military lawyer,<br />
raising the possibility of an open, on-the-record investigation of<br />
checkpoint killings, the Corps backed down. While Massey was ostracized, he<br />
was never subject to a court martial. Even after he confronted his<br />
lieutenant about atrocities in the field, the Corps never filed charges.<br />
Lying about commanders in war time is a serious offense, the kind of offense<br />
no military system overlooks. Make no mistake. If the Marine Corps had<br />
evidence that Massey lied, he would probably be in prison today. Instead, he<br />
got an honorable discharge, and the Corps provided temporary medical<br />
attention for PTSD, posttraumatic stress disorder.<br />
<br />
When he returned home to Waynesville, North Carolina, Massey kept talking.<br />
He is too patriotic to remain silent in the face of great wrongs against<br />
innocent people, including wrongs against troops who are trapped in<br />
atrocity-producing situations. But even as Massey spoke out in early 2004,<br />
the Marine Corps avoided any open confrontation over the facts.<br />
<br />
In researching my article, my early attempts to reach the Marines were<br />
stonewalled. However, on February 4, 2004, three months before I published<br />
my interview in the Sacramento Bee, Major Dan Schmidt, Massey's former<br />
Commanding Officer, wrote in the North Carolina Mountaineer: "There is no<br />
profit for anyone in discrediting his story in any way." By the end of the<br />
year, after Massey spoke on French radio, the BBC, at hearings in Canada,<br />
and Democracy Now, his story began to seep into the mainstream media. The<br />
Marine Corps was forced to respond. In December, 2004, MSNBC interviewed<br />
Major Douglas Powell about Massey. Powell stated directly: "We're not saying<br />
he's lying. But his perception of what the situation was in relation to the<br />
rules of engagement, and what was justified, is different than ours."<br />
<br />
In 2004, the Marines acknowledged at minimum that Massey was not lying.<br />
Suddenly in November 2005, Harris called him a liar.<br />
<br />
What changed? It was only after the publication of Massey's riveting<br />
autobiography in France -- and the pending threat of publication in the<br />
U.S. -- that Harris launched his attack on Massey. Character assassination<br />
of a Marine of conscience is, in effect, part of a movement to silence the<br />
witnesses to war. The Harris pro-military campaign comes at a time when more<br />
and more veterans are returning home with reports about the incompetence of<br />
commanders (who are unable to explain why the biggest military system in<br />
human history is crippled by a disorganized, spontaneous resistance).<br />
Returning soldiers are speaking out about the ongoing violations of the<br />
Geneva Conventions, about their own sense of betrayal at risking and taking<br />
life on the basis of fraud. Two soldiers -- Aidan Delgado, who witnessed war<br />
crimes at Abu Ghraib, and Camilo Mejia, who served 9 months in jail for<br />
refusing to participate in the occupation -- are also preparing books for<br />
publication. By sowing distrust, Harris is fomenting a media backlash<br />
against soldiers who break the code of silence.<br />
<br />
Jimmy never expected to be welcomed by the American press, the same press<br />
that promoted fantasies about nonexistent weapons, that proclaimed mission<br />
accomplished in defiance of reality. A soldier who speaks truth to power is<br />
not without honor, save in his own country.<br />
<br />
One wonders why Jimmy ever came forward at all. He was a successful Marine.<br />
He invested twelve years of his life in service to his country. The pay was<br />
good. He could have come home a hero in the local press in North Carolina.<br />
<br />
When I asked Massey a year ago why he gave up the rewards of silence, he<br />
gave a simple answer: Only the truth can heal. And he later wrote:<br />
<br />
"When I am on my death bed and I have to face God with all the sins I<br />
committed throughout my life, when I come to the sin of killing innocent<br />
people in Iraq, I know I will only be able to meet my Maker if I tell the<br />
truth now."<br />
<br />
Jimmy is one of the most soulful human beings to survive the injustice and<br />
mendacity of war.<br />
<br />
Perhaps it is time for all of us -- including Harris and other embedded<br />
journalists who got it wrong -- to ask forgiveness, too.<br />
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Was Kinda! Police/military joint force. I once believed there was a purpose. No pension but fatigue. Where did you see action? "Action" what a misnomer! If you stayed to observe the aftermath, you wouldn't be boasting about the years wearing a uniform. A futility at best and I served when today's masters were protesting not ordering the distruction. That makes us all hypocrites, don't it. Déjà vu. Mankind continuously uses the same excuses. I heard your arguments in the sixties. Where I was makes no matter, as today the scene is still the same. A different arena for the same blood sport.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

   

I'm Level 3 Top Secret. But cannot just read any Top Secret paper.
It pisses me off, no one cared about where we went during Cyprus, Cambodia, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Sinai. Why? Iam asking the question why? We were under US command in Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Cambodia, Sinai, etc.
Come you people know everthing, come on?<<

Then you know that even higher classification will not allow you to say more. What is it you are asking?

Think about why Canadians shy away from American intervention. You only listed six reasons and that isn't a tenth of it. Should the role of the Canadian military be sheep for the Americans?


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Expect little from life and get more from it.

   

Damn, I love you Ed. Keep tellin it straight.

   

I'd be very happy to risk my life for peace and freedom. The question is who will decide what peace and freedom really are ?<<

That in itself is the argument. Traitor,deserter or objector are terms formed by the military, for those who can make up their own mind. Pride of a woolen uniform is their defintion of patriotic.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

   

Peace and freedom will only come to those who are willing to risk their lives for it<

Who's peace and freedom? Canadians or those under the control of them? Isn't that the new excuse for invading Iraq? Death and mayhem for their peace and freedom. Obviously the Cadet has been "Americanised".

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

   

Ed
I have seen friends die. Also my father served from 42-73 and would have served until he died. I was always taught to defend the weak and to stickup for people that cannot defend themselves. That is why I know we are doing good there.
As for that Marine, people are confusing Iraq with Afghanistan. Two different operations so you cannot compare they.
I post the replies on my troops board under joke of the day. It keeps my troops more focused that they are doing the right thing. And some Canadians have to see the real world.
I wish my daughter in Afganistan could log in, but can due to the DND firewall. She could have some laughs also. She could post that her fellow female soldiers are killers? So they all should pack up their type writers. We all know how deadly a type writer is.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

   

for someone claining to have a degree and schooled in critical thought, army guy you have a peculiar way of expressing it

To have differing opinions is one thing but to be insulting and name calling the way you have opened here is incongruent with the claim of looking out for the little guy.
to truely look out for the little gut , the weak and socalled helpless one must display compassion and understanding as well as do critical reasearch into areas you now hold to be offensive

perhaps itf you changed your tactics you would receive support for that which you do
Just a thought


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Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
Ezra Pound
The only good is knowledge...

   

Sorry Armyguy but I think your beret is to tight. I believe we outnumber you now. Bush can't open his mouth without spewing lies. Just because O.J. wasn't convicted doesn't make him innocent. It's only a matter of time.
It is WE that are laughing at you! You're so proud of soldiering, Maybe you should look around once in a while. I know it won't happen but hey, no guts no glory, right.

   

I could add Armyguy, that you keep saying a Canadian 911 would change Canadian attitudes towards Afghanistan. You acknowledge how it unites the population behind whatever direction the military wants to go in. So if you can grasp the benifits of an attack like 911, as you keep speaking of in wishful "that would show them tones", then just how far do you need to reach to connect the dots between the wildly improbable 911 official story and the sheer magnitude of benefits, in terms of a lack of opposition, the Bush adinistration has reaped from 911 in terms?

   

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