Gurmant Grewal not seeking re-election?
RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:11 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
And when all else is failing, the conservatives fall back to the same old tired adscam arguement...
A few within the Quebec wing of the party were responsible.
They have been removed from within the party ranks.
Justice Gomery has exonerated the Prime Minister of having any responsibility with the program.
Hell we can go to the thread that lists like 200 Liberal scandals if you like, we don't have to linger on the adscam. How about the HRDC billion dollar waste, or the Gun registry waste. I think I'll go check that thread out again.
A few within the Quebec wing of the party were responsible.
They have been removed from within the party ranks.
Justice Gomery has exonerated the Prime Minister of having any responsibility with the program.
hwacker @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:12 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
hwacker hwacker:
Ruserious Ruserious:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ruserious Ruserious:
ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.
I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
Eh?Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.
I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
How do you arrive at the Liberals being desperate to stay in power by being willing to listen to his consideration to cross the floor?
He approached them, not the other way round.
When he made demands, they were denied and Grewal felt like a jilted lover so he conspired with the Conservatives to save face by doctoring the tapes to make him appear as a 'good' guy.
Unfortunately for the Conservatives, experts caught them and proved the tapes had been doctored.
Is that proven? If so, I'd like to read about it.
Here you go,
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 50602.html
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories
http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=28528
You better re-read the links and then edit your original post to reflect the BS you spewed.
Facts don't lie you tool.
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John Dooher, a forensic audio engineer hired by CBC News, said Thursday there is a "crude" edit and something "amiss" about a section of tapes made by the B.C. member of Parliament.
The tape has Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh talking about Grewal's future.
Grewal secretly recorded hours of conversations with Dosanjh and Tim Murphy, the prime minister's chief of staff, about switching parties.
"Right here, we hear what sounds like an edit. We have a change in the frequency spectrum so something has changed there," said Dooher, demonstrating the difference while at a sound board.
The tape has Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh talking about Grewal's future.
Grewal secretly recorded hours of conversations with Dosanjh and Tim Murphy, the prime minister's chief of staff, about switching parties.
"Right here, we hear what sounds like an edit. We have a change in the frequency spectrum so something has changed there," said Dooher, demonstrating the difference while at a sound board.
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His conclusions are supported by Stevan Pausak, one of Canada's leading forensic-sound analysts. Pausak was asked by Canadian Press to carry out a similar examination. He said one of the tapes has an abnormal break, indicting a section may have been cut out.
Dooher said while more sophisticated testing could offer more certainty, he believes his original conclusion.
"This sounds to me, not only that this is an edit, but an edit done with something very crude," he said.
Dooher said while more sophisticated testing could offer more certainty, he believes his original conclusion.
"This sounds to me, not only that this is an edit, but an edit done with something very crude," he said.
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The Conservative Party said late Thursday that small gaps occurred when the master tapes were transferred to CD.
But Pausak said he found an entirely separate abnormality that couldn't be explained by transferring.
Pausak, who once worked for the Ontario government and now testifies in trials, said there is a discontinuity in the audio file.
"I'm talking about alteration. I am trying to avoid the word tampering,'' he said.
"When you are using the word 'tampering', that means intent, right? Most of the time there is no way to show intent through the examination of the recording. You just see that it's altered.''
Grewal denied tampering with the evidence.
But Pausak said he found an entirely separate abnormality that couldn't be explained by transferring.
Pausak, who once worked for the Ontario government and now testifies in trials, said there is a discontinuity in the audio file.
"I'm talking about alteration. I am trying to avoid the word tampering,'' he said.
"When you are using the word 'tampering', that means intent, right? Most of the time there is no way to show intent through the examination of the recording. You just see that it's altered.''
Grewal denied tampering with the evidence.
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Grewal has said the Liberals came courting him, offering him inducements to switch parties in an effort to keep Martin's minority government alive.
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Dosanjh and other top Liberals have said Grewal made the first approach, demanding a cabinet position for himself and an ambassadorship or Senate appointment for his wife, fellow British Columbia Conservative MP Nina Grewal, in return for not voting against the Liberals on a key May 19 confidence motion.
And after all the crap the Liberal have lied about you believe them. damn you are gullible.
I guess BS went to the Liberals too.
You are too much, brainwashed and hogtied.
hwacker @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:15 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
RUEZ RUEZ:
So I guess your answer is no? Do you guys completely ignore what the Liberals have done these last few years?
And when all else is failing, the conservatives fall back to the same old tired adscam arguement... A few within the Quebec wing of the party were responsible.
They have been removed from within the party ranks.
Justice Gomery has exonerated the Prime Minister of having any responsibility with the program.
Like I said brainwashed, if you believe that, He's the worst CFO ever or the biggest payout artist ever, I’ll take the second thanks.
Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:20 pm
hwacker hwacker:
Ruserious Ruserious:
hwacker hwacker:
Ruserious Ruserious:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ruserious Ruserious:
ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.
I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
Eh?Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.
I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
How do you arrive at the Liberals being desperate to stay in power by being willing to listen to his consideration to cross the floor?
He approached them, not the other way round.
When he made demands, they were denied and Grewal felt like a jilted lover so he conspired with the Conservatives to save face by doctoring the tapes to make him appear as a 'good' guy.
Unfortunately for the Conservatives, experts caught them and proved the tapes had been doctored.
Is that proven? If so, I'd like to read about it.
Here you go,
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 50602.html
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories
http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=28528
You better re-read the links and then edit your original post to reflect the BS you spewed.
Facts don't lie you tool.
$1:
John Dooher, a forensic audio engineer hired by CBC News, said Thursday there is a "crude" edit and something "amiss" about a section of tapes made by the B.C. member of Parliament.
The tape has Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh talking about Grewal's future.
Grewal secretly recorded hours of conversations with Dosanjh and Tim Murphy, the prime minister's chief of staff, about switching parties.
"Right here, we hear what sounds like an edit. We have a change in the frequency spectrum so something has changed there," said Dooher, demonstrating the difference while at a sound board.
The tape has Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh talking about Grewal's future.
Grewal secretly recorded hours of conversations with Dosanjh and Tim Murphy, the prime minister's chief of staff, about switching parties.
"Right here, we hear what sounds like an edit. We have a change in the frequency spectrum so something has changed there," said Dooher, demonstrating the difference while at a sound board.
$1:
His conclusions are supported by Stevan Pausak, one of Canada's leading forensic-sound analysts. Pausak was asked by Canadian Press to carry out a similar examination. He said one of the tapes has an abnormal break, indicting a section may have been cut out.
Dooher said while more sophisticated testing could offer more certainty, he believes his original conclusion.
"This sounds to me, not only that this is an edit, but an edit done with something very crude," he said.
Dooher said while more sophisticated testing could offer more certainty, he believes his original conclusion.
"This sounds to me, not only that this is an edit, but an edit done with something very crude," he said.
$1:
The Conservative Party said late Thursday that small gaps occurred when the master tapes were transferred to CD.
But Pausak said he found an entirely separate abnormality that couldn't be explained by transferring.
Pausak, who once worked for the Ontario government and now testifies in trials, said there is a discontinuity in the audio file.
"I'm talking about alteration. I am trying to avoid the word tampering,'' he said.
"When you are using the word 'tampering', that means intent, right? Most of the time there is no way to show intent through the examination of the recording. You just see that it's altered.''
Grewal denied tampering with the evidence.
But Pausak said he found an entirely separate abnormality that couldn't be explained by transferring.
Pausak, who once worked for the Ontario government and now testifies in trials, said there is a discontinuity in the audio file.
"I'm talking about alteration. I am trying to avoid the word tampering,'' he said.
"When you are using the word 'tampering', that means intent, right? Most of the time there is no way to show intent through the examination of the recording. You just see that it's altered.''
Grewal denied tampering with the evidence.
$1:
Grewal has said the Liberals came courting him, offering him inducements to switch parties in an effort to keep Martin's minority government alive.
$1:
Dosanjh and other top Liberals have said Grewal made the first approach, demanding a cabinet position for himself and an ambassadorship or Senate appointment for his wife, fellow British Columbia Conservative MP Nina Grewal, in return for not voting against the Liberals on a key May 19 confidence motion.
And after all the crap the Liberal have lied about you believe them. damn you are gullible.
I guess BS went to the Liberals too.
You are too much, brainwashed and hogtied.
Eh?
RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:24 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
Well, if Grewal were innocent, why did he have to doctor the tapes at all?
Eh?
I'm curious what your definition of doctoring is. It seems people are claiming they were edited, so everything that's on them would be legit but some would have been edited out.
Eh?
Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:35 pm
lily lily:
Did Grewal have anything to do with Adscam?
No?
Then why are y'all trying to divert attention from why he's not running?
Remember... the tapes?
No?
Then why are y'all trying to divert attention from why he's not running?
Remember... the tapes?
It really is amusing to see how quickly they lose their focus isn't it?
hwacker @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:48 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
lily lily:
Did Grewal have anything to do with Adscam?
No?
Then why are y'all trying to divert attention from why he's not running?
Remember... the tapes?
No?
Then why are y'all trying to divert attention from why he's not running?
Remember... the tapes?
It really is amusing to see how quickly they lose their focus isn't it?
It really is amusing to see how quickly you try to spin things the liberal way, when we all know the liberal party is full of liars, miscreants, thieves and cowards and you still believe the spin they throw at you. Sad very sad.
RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:48 pm
Very very sad.
Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:50 pm
hwacker hwacker:
Ruserious Ruserious:
lily lily:
Did Grewal have anything to do with Adscam?
No?
Then why are y'all trying to divert attention from why he's not running?
Remember... the tapes?
No?
Then why are y'all trying to divert attention from why he's not running?
Remember... the tapes?
It really is amusing to see how quickly they lose their focus isn't it?
It really is amusing to see how quickly you try to spin things the liberal way, when we all know the liberal party is full of liars, miscreants, thieves and cowards and you still believe the spin they throw at you. Sad very sad.
Try and keep up will you.
Why can't you answer the question then hwacker?
Why did Grewal need to edit those tapes if he was completely innocent?
ziggy @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:52 pm
That he didnt edit anything.
RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:54 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
Why can't you answer the question then hwacker?
Why did Grewal need to edit those tapes if he was completely innocent?
Apparently he is innocent as he was never charged with a crime.
Why did Grewal need to edit those tapes if he was completely innocent?
hwacker @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:57 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:
Ruserious Ruserious:
Why can't you answer the question then hwacker?
Why did Grewal need to edit those tapes if he was completely innocent?
Apparently he is innocent as he was never charged with a crime.Why did Grewal need to edit those tapes if he was completely innocent?
Exactly
RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:58 pm
lily lily:
Not being charged doesn't necessarily equate with being innocent.
You've never heard of innocent until proven guilty? An investigation was done he wasn't charged with a crime. I can't even believe we're having a discussion on his ethics considering what the Liberals have done.
hwacker @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:59 pm
lily lily:
Not being charged doesn't necessarily equate with being innocent.
Oh are we using the PM theory of innocent?
game, set, match.
ziggy @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:01 pm
The lib's have 200+ scandals and their supporters can only drag up something that didnt happen.