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Gurmant Grewal not seeking re-election?

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Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:46 am

Well now there's a surprise. :lol:

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Gurmant Grewal steps out of politics
CTV.ca News Staff

Gurmant Grewal, the Conservative MP caught up in last spring's taping scandal, won't be seeking re-election.

"I am writing today to advise you that I will not be a candidate for the Conservative Party in the riding of Newton-North Delta in the coming election," he said in a letter to Conservative Leader Stephen Harper on Tuesday.

"I am a firm supporter of the accountability package that you recently unveiled. Due to certain still unresolved issues, which I believe my political opponents would use against me and our party in the coming election, I have reluctantly decided to take this course of action.

"I wish you and the party the best of luck. I am convinced you are poised to become the next Prime Minister of Canada."

Grewal triggered an uproar in May when he revealed he had tried to trap the Liberals into making an offer to him and his fellow MP wife Nina to change parties -- and secretly taped the whole process.

At that time, the Liberal minority government faced a no-confidence vote on its budget on May 19. Every vote counted in the battle for survival.

Tim Murphy, Prime Minister Paul Martin's chief of staff, and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh, were two of the high-profile Liberals involved. They denied making any offers, although they did hold talks with Grewal.

However, Grewal didn't release all the tapes, only selected portions. Audio experts said it appeared someone had edited the tapes.

Ultimately, Grewal, first elected in 1997, took stress leave.

"Gurmant's view was that the controversies that have surrounded him are likely to be raised in an election campaign," Harper told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy.

"You have an individual who the Liberal Party wanted to have in its ranks, a hard-working immigrant, and as soon as he said no to them, they began slandering him," he said.

"Unfortunately, I think Gurmant's probably right. These things could become issues for him and the party during the campaign. So I think he's done what's in the interests of the party by deciding not to run."

Robert Fife, CTV's parliamentary bureau chief, told Newsnet the Conservatives felt Grewal didn't have a chance of winning his riding, "so they encouraged him to leave, and he has."


Nina is running for re-election. Harper said he expected a "vigorous nomination process" in Newton-North Delta to replace Gurmant


I suppose the Conservatives desperate act of doctoring an audio tape to make it appear more favourable to them isn't exactly something they want to have people reminded of.

   



ridenrain @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:59 am

I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.

I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.

   



xerxes @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:33 pm

He didn't break the law, but he looked like Nixon making secretly recorded tapes.

   



Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:04 pm

ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.

I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
Eh?

How do you arrive at the Liberals being desperate to stay in power by being willing to listen to his consideration to cross the floor?
He approached them, not the other way round.

When he made demands, they were denied and Grewal felt like a jilted lover so he conspired with the Conservatives to save face by doctoring the tapes to make him appear as a 'good' guy.

Unfortunately for the Conservatives, experts caught them and proved the tapes had been doctored.

   



OnTheIce @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:19 pm

Ruserious Ruserious:
ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.

I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
Eh?

How do you arrive at the Liberals being desperate to stay in power by being willing to listen to his consideration to cross the floor?
He approached them, not the other way round.

When he made demands, they were denied and Grewal felt like a jilted lover so he conspired with the Conservatives to save face by doctoring the tapes to make him appear as a 'good' guy.

Unfortunately for the Conservatives, experts caught them and proved the tapes had been doctored.


Is that proven? If so, I'd like to read about it.

   



Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:23 pm

OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ruserious Ruserious:
ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.

I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
Eh?

How do you arrive at the Liberals being desperate to stay in power by being willing to listen to his consideration to cross the floor?
He approached them, not the other way round.

When he made demands, they were denied and Grewal felt like a jilted lover so he conspired with the Conservatives to save face by doctoring the tapes to make him appear as a 'good' guy.

Unfortunately for the Conservatives, experts caught them and proved the tapes had been doctored.


Is that proven? If so, I'd like to read about it.
Yes it was.

Here you go,

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 50602.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=28528

   



RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:33 pm

I'm wondering did Grewal give out millions of tax payers dollars to friends?

   



hwacker @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:34 pm

Ruserious Ruserious:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ruserious Ruserious:
ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.

I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
Eh?

How do you arrive at the Liberals being desperate to stay in power by being willing to listen to his consideration to cross the floor?
He approached them, not the other way round.

When he made demands, they were denied and Grewal felt like a jilted lover so he conspired with the Conservatives to save face by doctoring the tapes to make him appear as a 'good' guy.

Unfortunately for the Conservatives, experts caught them and proved the tapes had been doctored.


Is that proven? If so, I'd like to read about it.
Yes it was.

Here you go,

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 50602.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=28528


You better re-read the links and then edit your original post to reflect the BS you spewed.

   



Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:59 pm

RUEZ RUEZ:
I'm wondering did Grewal give out millions of tax payers dollars to friends?
Well he was investigated for asking constituents to put up guarantees of $50,000, in return for help with temporary visas...

   



Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:05 pm

hwacker hwacker:
Ruserious Ruserious:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ruserious Ruserious:
ridenrain ridenrain:
I'm not sure where you're going to go with this.
Grewal didn't break the law. What he did was show how desperate the Liberals are to stay in power. It's only because the ethics commissioner is a croney that this didn't go farther.

I'm happy Grewal stepped aside though, and I'm also glad that Doug McCallum didn't get in.
Eh?

How do you arrive at the Liberals being desperate to stay in power by being willing to listen to his consideration to cross the floor?
He approached them, not the other way round.

When he made demands, they were denied and Grewal felt like a jilted lover so he conspired with the Conservatives to save face by doctoring the tapes to make him appear as a 'good' guy.

Unfortunately for the Conservatives, experts caught them and proved the tapes had been doctored.


Is that proven? If so, I'd like to read about it.
Yes it was.

Here you go,

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 50602.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=28528


You better re-read the links and then edit your original post to reflect the BS you spewed.
:lol: :lol:

Facts don't lie you tool.

$1:
John Dooher, a forensic audio engineer hired by CBC News, said Thursday there is a "crude" edit and something "amiss" about a section of tapes made by the B.C. member of Parliament.

The tape has Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh talking about Grewal's future.

Grewal secretly recorded hours of conversations with Dosanjh and Tim Murphy, the prime minister's chief of staff, about switching parties.

"Right here, we hear what sounds like an edit. We have a change in the frequency spectrum so something has changed there," said Dooher, demonstrating the difference while at a sound board.




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His conclusions are supported by Stevan Pausak, one of Canada's leading forensic-sound analysts. Pausak was asked by Canadian Press to carry out a similar examination. He said one of the tapes has an abnormal break, indicting a section may have been cut out.

Dooher said while more sophisticated testing could offer more certainty, he believes his original conclusion.

"This sounds to me, not only that this is an edit, but an edit done with something very crude," he said.


$1:
The Conservative Party said late Thursday that small gaps occurred when the master tapes were transferred to CD.

But Pausak said he found an entirely separate abnormality that couldn't be explained by transferring.

Pausak, who once worked for the Ontario government and now testifies in trials, said there is a discontinuity in the audio file.

"I'm talking about alteration. I am trying to avoid the word tampering,'' he said.

"When you are using the word 'tampering', that means intent, right? Most of the time there is no way to show intent through the examination of the recording. You just see that it's altered.''


Grewal denied tampering with the evidence.

   



RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:05 pm

So I guess your answer is no? Do you guys completely ignore what the Liberals have done these last few years?

   



xerxes @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:06 pm

No, but it has nothing to do with the tpoci of this thread.

   



hwacker @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:08 pm

RUEZ RUEZ:
So I guess your answer is no? Do you guys completely ignore what the Liberals have done these last few years?


Yep they all do.

   



RUEZ @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:08 pm

xerxes xerxes:
No, but it has nothing to do with the tpoci of this thread.
:roll:

   



Ruserious @ Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:09 pm

RUEZ RUEZ:
So I guess your answer is no? Do you guys completely ignore what the Liberals have done these last few years?
And when all else is failing, the conservatives fall back to the same old tired adscam arguement...

:roll:


A few within the Quebec wing of the party were responsible.
They have been removed from within the party ranks.
Justice Gomery has exonerated the Prime Minister of having any responsibility with the program.

   



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