Canada Kicks Ass
Harper acknowledges 'problems' with Canadian economy

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Reverend Blair @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:13 pm

Do you have any proof to back up your assertions? No, I thought not.

   



Apollo @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:21 pm

That's because they are not assertions. Try reading before typing.

   



Toro @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:23 pm

Apollo Apollo:
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The CONS model themselves after the American neo-cons who authored America's current economic mess. As such, Harper and his boys are fair game for criticism of their management of the economy.


That's like saying Layton models the NDP on Soviet style economics and as such is fait game for criticism of their management of the economy.

Both are ridiculous.

Give me one example of the CPC modeling themselves like the Republicans.


Yeah, its a pretty silly analogy. Its another example of Canadians - particularly the Left - not understanding American politics.

   



Reverend Blair @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:29 pm

You asserted that Dion was going to cost you $750 and Layton was to cost you $7500 , Apollo. Prove it. You can't, can you? You don't even know what their proposals are or how they work, do you?

As for an example of the Conservatives modeling themselves after the Republicans, they've been hiring Republican consultants for years, they use the same economic rhetoric to cover the same lack of an economic plan, they use the same anti-Kyoto tactics, they make the same bizarre claims about "activist judges", they use the same political tactics (attack, lie, and smear). How many examples do you need?

   



Apollo @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:41 pm

Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
You asserted that Dion was going to cost you $750 and Layton was to cost you $7500 , Apollo. Prove it. You can't, can you? You don't even know what their proposals are or how they work, do you?

As for an example of the Conservatives modeling themselves after the Republicans, they've been hiring Republican consultants for years, they use the same economic rhetoric to cover the same lack of an economic plan, they use the same anti-Kyoto tactics, they make the same bizarre claims about "activist judges", they use the same political tactics (attack, lie, and smear). How many examples do you need?


Dions carbon tax grab is going to cost me money. Layton wants to nationalize everything that moves. I guess all those programs will come for free right?

Regarding your assertions....

hiring Republican consultants for years - Liberals flew in American Democrats to teach them how to campaign during the last election. Jack attended the DNC convention. Iggy is an American and so is May. Dion is French. Douceppe is a seperatist. Harper is the only real Canadian.

economic rhetoric to cover the same lack of an economic plan - Both sides have an economic plan. I can argue that the left on both sides of the border are all sizzle and no meat. Change change change change change. blah blah blah.

anti-Kyoto tactics,- You mean that thingy that the Liberals signed and then went ahead and increased GHG's by 37%. Or are you talking about Dions dog?

attack, lie, and smear - Take a look around this site. Strategic voting, comparing Harper to Bush etc. I still remember the attack lie and smear commercial of military in our streets. In Canada. We're not kidding.

Face it. The left in Canada have way more in common with the Democrats. Harper was born in Canada, raised in Canada and has only a CDN passport. That alone speaks volumes.

   



Reverend Blair @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:56 pm

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Dions carbon tax grab is going to cost me money.


Prove it. Point out to us where, on what page and in what paragraph, Dion's plan says it will raise your taxes.


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Layton wants to nationalize everything that moves


Prove it. Show us where, exactly, in the NDP platform that nationalizing anything is mentioned.


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hiring Republican consultants for years - Liberals flew in American Democrats to teach them how to campaign during the last election. Jack attended the DNC convention. Iggy is an American and so is May. Dion is French. Douceppe is a seperatist. Harper is the only real Canadian.


Nice try, but there were Conservatives at the DNC too.

Iggy and May are both Canadian citizens. Dion is a Canadian citizen, he was born and raised here. That kind of xenophobia is very Republican though.


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Both sides have an economic plan.


Oh? What's Harper's plan? To do nothing?

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You mean that thingy that the Liberals signed and then went ahead and increased GHG's by 37%.


I mean their cozying up to denialist groups like Friends of Science (BTW, they broke the law campaigning for Harper in the last election), trying to disrupt and scuttle the deal...or any progress at all...at international meetings, trying to separate the environment from the economy so they can scare people, cutting scientific funding, trying to silence scientists, and so on.

It's an action plan that came right out of Republican headquarters.


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Take a look around this site. Strategic voting, comparing Harper to Bush etc. I still remember the attack lie and smear commercial of military in our streets. In Canada. We're not kidding.


Take a look at what Harper has been doing in Parliament since he came to power. Take a look at his election campaign. Take a look at the attack ads that he started running two years ago. Those are Republican tactics, my friend, right out of the twisted little mind of Karl Rove.

   



sandorski @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:03 pm

Not sure if we are in a Deficit situation, will have to wait for next Budget to know, but wouldn't be shocked by it if it is true. That said, there's not much to be done about that yet as the cause is the meltdown in the US. The 2 things where Harper has gone wrong though, IMO, are:

1) Huge increase in Military spending. It's not that we don't need what is being Purchased, but little of what is being spent will actually be useful in Afghanistan anytime soon. Yet Afghanistan is being used as a motivator for much of that spending. I just think that too much new spending has been crammed into too little time/Budgets whereas spreading them out would have been more Fiscally prudent and still address the immediate Needs of the Afghan Mission.

I would have prefferred Harper keeping some of the Surplusses instead of Spending and/or cutting Taxes to eliminate them.

2) The dismissive and even insulting attitude taken regarding the Ontario/Manufacturing Sector. Instead of cheap shots at former Political opponents, Harper's Government should have addressed this issue in some manner. Ontario has always been considered the "Engine" of the Economy and deserved some Respect for that alone. Harper had the opportunity to help get it back on track, but squandered the opportunity for Political reasons. Just a waste IMO.

   



11coftea @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:53 pm

"That's like saying Layton models the NDP on Soviet style economics and as such is fait game for criticism of their management of the economy.

Both are ridiculous.

Give me one example of the CPC modeling themselves like the Republicans."




Harper's bills C-26, C-51 and C-61 are right out of Republican policy handbooks. To Canada he'll deliver the US drug war, stifling of alternative medicine (non-BigPharma products), and brazenly pro-corporate, draconian copyright enforcement.

From day one, Harper was willing to join the Iraq war (even though he's now flip-flopping on his maniac McCain miltarism for PR purposes), and claimed that Kyoto was a socialist plot to rob the wealth of the rich. Now, for PR, he's becoming environmentally conscious.

In an historic address to an ultra rightwing think-tank, Harper said that Canada was "a second-tier socialistic country", and continued to bash Canada for not abiding by Republican policy while praising everything about Republican-dominated USA policies.

Bushy Harper greatly increased military funding and corporate welfare handouts, while slashing social programs. Bushy Harper thinks infinite cutting of taxes while increasing spending and eliminating surpluses is GOOD (if the military and corporations benefit).

Earlier this spring Harper cut meat inspectors and recently cut womens programs.

Harper's crew has major oil industry ties and support, and has a strong Christian Fundamentalist element.

He blindly supports NAFTA and deep USA-Canada integration. He recently reduced Canadian pesticide laws to be as lax as those in the US, instantly had the border guards be armed, and raised the age of consent to 16. He called the Israel attack on Lebanon a measured response even though many civilians were killed and most groups claimed it was an overly aggressive response.



And this is all under MINORITY government restraints. If we let Harper off the leash with a majority, he'll sell Canada to the Republican cult for sure.


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Reverend Blair @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:29 am

$1:
Harper is consistent and open about his position that governments aren’t smart enough to manage the economy, and should simply get out of the way of markets. He likes market principles so much he is turning over more of our core public assets to be run by businesses. But business’ only interest is corporate profit. Who’s in charge of the public interest? A man with steady hands and a dislike of government.

If the events of the past months have taught us anything, markets can run things amok in a spectacular way.

Some say the biggest failure of a leader is to be inconsistent, but here we have an example of the type of consistency that could become a hazard for the country.

What Harper brings to the party is not so much a steady hand, as a hand that repeatedly comes up empty for most people on the big issues of the day. His faith in the invisible hand of the markets is not enough. The mess to the south shows us that voters need a government visibly prepared to act in the public interest, not just business interests.

http://election.rabble.ca/post/50454898/harpers-steady-hand-is-off-the-wheel

   



RUEZ @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:41 am

11coftea 11coftea:
And this is all under MINORITY government restraints. If we let Harper off the leash with a majority, he'll sell Canada to the Republican cult for sure.


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Ah you gotta love these childish comparisons and make believe agenda's. OH you lefties.

   



Reverend Blair @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:55 am

Are we supposed to believe that Harper won't move further to the right without the constraints of a minority government, Ruez? Sorry, but there isn't a political party on the planet that doesn't move closer to its ideological base when it has a majority government.

   



11coftea @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:44 am

RUEZ RUEZ:
11coftea 11coftea:
And this is all under MINORITY government restraints. If we let Harper off the leash with a majority, he'll sell Canada to the Republican cult for sure.


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Ah you gotta love these childish comparisons and make believe agenda's. OH you lefties.


How typical of the repressive and retarded right. Ignore all 17 facts indicating Harper's ultra-right wing agenda. Then, fail to factor in what his policies and bills would likely be WITHOUT minority restraints.

The right has become deaf, dumb and blind. I guess if they don't see the negative effects of their policies then those negative effects don't exist. Maybe to a rightwing wacko, those 17 pieces of evidence indicate compromise and moderation.

   



11coftea @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:47 am

Harper's bills C-26, C-51 and C-61 are right out of Republican policy handbooks. To Canada he'll deliver the US drug war, stifling of alternative medicine (non-BigPharma products), and brazenly pro-corporate, draconian copyright enforcement.

From day one, Harper was willing to join the Iraq war (even though he's now flip-flopping on his maniac McCain miltarism for PR purposes), and claimed that Kyoto was a socialist plot to rob the wealth of the rich. Now, for PR, he's becoming environmentally conscious.

In an historic address to an ultra rightwing think-tank, Harper said that Canada was "a second-tier socialistic country", and continued to bash Canada for not abiding by Republican policy while praising everything about Republican-dominated USA policies.

Bushy Harper greatly increased military funding and corporate welfare handouts, while slashing social programs. Bushy Harper thinks infinite cutting of taxes while increasing spending and eliminating surpluses is GOOD (if the military and corporations benefit).

Earlier this spring Harper cut meat inspectors and recently cut womens programs.

Harper's crew has major oil industry ties and support, and has a strong Christian Fundamentalist element.

He blindly supports NAFTA and deep USA-Canada integration. He recently reduced Canadian pesticide laws to be as lax as those in the US, instantly had the border guards be armed, and raised the age of consent to 16. He called the Israel attack on Lebanon a measured response even though many civilians were killed and most groups claimed it was an overly aggressive response.

   



DerbyX @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:15 am

RUEZ RUEZ:
11coftea 11coftea:
And this is all under MINORITY government restraints. If we let Harper off the leash with a majority, he'll sell Canada to the Republican cult for sure.


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Ah you gotta love these childish comparisons and make believe agenda's. OH you lefties.


You are then similiarly offended by all the Beaker-Dion comparisons right?

   



DerbyX @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:17 am

ridenrain ridenrain:
Are you suggesting Harper is to blame for the slow down in the US housing market and the US economy in general?


If Harper's financial policies aren't responsible at least in part for Canada's worsening economy and the loss of the surplus then then he wouldn't be trying to convince people that Dions economic policies would be a disaster instead of the economic savious platform that it is.

   



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