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That was my point. A father/husband, anyone would likely do anything to reduce the suffering of their loved ones. With Jack, standing on that position, it makes him look too rigid to a policy and blows his credability.


Perhaps you missed it on page 1.
“There will be no private, parallel system,” Mr. Harper said. “We can, and will, achieve better results for patients and maintain the essentials of our system of public health insurance while maintaining our universal public health care system.”

You can refute that but then you'll have to explain how we already have a 2-tier health care system in Quebec, BC, etc.

   

Question:

Do you believe everything that Paul Martin, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe tell you?
Canadians aren't going to belive Harper when he has said time and time again, they are in favour of 2 tier healthcare
Harper has said that he wants to scrap the Canada Health Act and our single tier system in previous statements. The President of the Fraser Institute said that the Fraser Institute was responsible for slaying the deficit and would bring in two tier healthcare. In this speech he mentions the Harris/Manning plan, which also had the backing of Ralph Klein. They are arguably the three most influential Conservatives in the country and Harper has a long record of going along with them. Since their position matches the position that Harper previously took, it is very difficult to believe that he and the Conservatives have done an about face.

Stephen Harper,

In 1988, as chief policy architect for Manning's Reform party, he authored a document calling on Ottawa to withdraw from all universal social programs and leave them to the provinces.

In 1993, as a Reform MP, he supported a caucus statement committing the party to "restore to the provinces the administrative jurisdiction (in health) that the federal government has usurped."

In 2001, he co-authored an open letter to Alberta Premier Ralph Klein urging him to drop out of medicare.

In a 2003 newspaper article, he wrote that the Canada Health Act should be scrapped and replaced with 10 separate agreements between Ottawa and each province.

As late as last year, he wrote in the Star that one of his guiding principles in health care was that it must remain in provincial jurisdiction.

And while he insisted during the last election campaign that he was in favour of universal public health insurance, he carefully never mentioned the Canada Health Act.

In short, I don't believe him

   

So whats so evil about having a two tier health system?

   

This is what frustrates me about the current government, they don't even care if the current system works, so long as its not two-tier. Well I'd rather have a functional system.

   

King Canute tried to teach his subjects that no man can turn back the tide. Canuckies cannot understand this even after a 1000 years.
No politician can stop it. Jaaaaack and Paaaaaaaul will do the most damage before they give up amongst the ruins. Haaaaarper will go along with brainwashed Canuckies until they scream uncle.
Health care without private input will bankrupt the country. No socialist party can save it as is.

   

Nothing if you have millions, can afford to pay for the upper tier and believe in a society where there are two classes, the rich and the peasants who shouldn't be given access to the same services.

Everything if you don't believe that all Canadians should be treated equally.

   

A two tier system will not deny people access to the same services.

It, in fact, would shorten waiting times.

Private health care is already here and here to stay, after all, it is the 21st century.
I personally would not be able to afford private health care but have no problem with those people who can.

   

Horseshit.

You better believe it will deny people access to the same services.
It does in the U.S., where unless you can afford to pay, you don't get treated, there are about forty million Americans who do not have health insurance
As for shortening wait times, go figure?
When the doctors have the chance to either work for the goverment or work in a privatized environment that they can charge even more for their services, just how many practitioners do you honestly think would be available to the general public that couldn't afford to pay with their credit cards.

Seriously, why do you think that the U.S. is also looking more at our health care system as being the better model.

   

   

http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine.com ... 02_09.html

http://cthealth.server101.com/national_ ... urance.htm

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/decis ... hcare.html

Laugh all you want hwacker, it's factual.

   

It's no use. Hwanker doesn't deal in facts.

   

Here's a fact, the Canadian Healthcare system is broken. It's not an example to anyone.

   

So true.

   

As Ruserious stated, if the doctor is giving a chance to choose between private and public he will pick private due to getting more money. Hence leaving less for the public.

Ok now I will never believe what Harper says because shit is all that comes from his mouth, the healthcare system as it is, is not terrible, the waiting times are long but there must be a better solution then introducing a two tier system. Do you really think that the two tier system will speed up the waiting lines. Wrong, how many people in Canada may actually be considered rich? I would say 10% hwile 20-30% are middle class and the rest are poor. Now you may think I'm wrong but can you call a person that lives completly off credit cards rich? Hell no you can't hence in the end you would have those 10% less to stand behind yet how much can that affect the waiting time? I think not a lot. Plus those poor people looking for quicker service will go for the private sector but as a lot of them are poor they are going to be getting deeper into their shithole.

   

You’re such a pinhead. Looking at a system and putting to practical use is another. Canada cannot maintain this little system with 30m people, could you imagine 300m. It would take the population of Canada to administer that system. But for a liberal that would be a good thing for you. Our system is broken and needs a logical answer for the fix, not some BSing by Laydown and spin by Martini.

   

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