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AH because Paul Martin won't be running the Gov't.

That will do it for me.

   

What exactly is the point to this thread, Motorcycleboy? Are you trying to make one?

I'm impressed that you're so observant of the sudden interest in politics, what with an election coming and all. Perhaps you overlooked the fact that at least half of the threads in the Election forum, and over 450 posts this week alone, are Liberal smears by either ridenrain or hwacker. Any coincidence there?

By all means, though, lock horns and 'shred' away...

   

Well, they have set examples for us, although it was in the distant past.
As prime minister brian mulroney brought us the NAFTA, a document which is indirectly responsible for the closure of hundereds of canadian companies and has allowed aggressive American franchises to pour billions of dollars into the american economy. He made it a personal goal of his to bring quebec into the constition with the meech lake and charletton accords both of which were coomplete failures and wastes of tax payers dollars.For starters...

   

smears, or did you mean thoughtful retorts?

   

Now Now Delrin, if the Conservatives made an absolute total cockup when in office it's still 100% better than the Liberals have done.
(notice 1st the present and last the past tenses)

   

You can honestly sit there and talk about waste of taxpayer’s money after the gun registry.

That Koolaid has turned the 3 cells into 0.

   

The gun registry cost 2 billion dollars, how much do you think Nafta has cost us and will continue to cost us ? Softwood lumber - Nafta, Fishery disputes - Nafta, Closure of Eatons, Woolco, Woolworths, Decline of zellers, and pretty much every other canadian department store - Walmart i.e. Nafta.

   

Heyzeus man that was before the Roman Empire.
Can you quote any recent stuff?

   

Well if NAFTA hasn't taken your job yet, it’s a failure.

Eatons, Woolco, Woolworths really they worth keeping? and Zellers is owned by HBC.

   

No I can't cause their policies have scared voters away for 3 terms, it's only now, as we turn these mistakes into "ancient history" that they have been able to put themselves back into a position to be considered by the undecided voter.

   

Nafta didn't kill department stores, you idiot.

Department store chains have been consolidating on both sides of the border. There are far fewer chains today in Canada and the United States.

Why?
Because Paul Martin is a crook?
Because Steven Harper is Satan?
Because Bush is President of the U.S.?
No.

Because with things like enhanced buying power, the development of advertising markets, computerization of inventories and warehousing, and a host of actual factors, it is now possible to run larger-scaled operations.

Since it is now possible to economize on a larger scale, the 'mid-size' department stores disappeared. not because they were forced out of business, but because they had become, by comparison, inefficient.

If Walmart had not come to Canada, some Canadian version of Walmart would have developed to exploit the numbers in the same way.

If you didn't spend your time wandering around in political fantasy lands and learned something about the world, you might be able to draw valid conclusions from your observations.

Now, you're just a penny-ante hack.


By the way, Woolworth was an American company.

Woolworth Building, New York City, built 1907.

   

So, Conservative = strong confederation, and therefore Liberal = what?

Are you saying a vote for the Liberals is a vote toward Quebec independence? is that where you want to head with this?

   

Pay Equity and the need for Fair Trade by Jason Ramone:
NAFTA the North American Free Trade Agreement between the Canada, the United
States and Mexico - has had a devestating effect on Canadians and the people of
Cornwall. Brian Mulroney and the Conservatives sold out Canada for the sake of
Globalization and the profits of Trans-National Corporations. Significant job losses have occured in Canada and in Cornwall because of NAFTA. The conservative Fraser Institute think tank says there are now more jobs now in Canada. This is insignificant, because these jobs are lower paying, and this includes part-time jobs, because many people now need two or three jobs to pay skyrocketing rents, hydro bills, and food costs.

In Cornwall many factory jobs left the city including Cortaulds, Levis, and now Domtar is downsizing its work force. These jobs had good unions and good benefits and good saleries. These were living wage jobs vital to the economic health of our community. The reward to hardworking and productive people is a pink slip, unemployment, so that a company who profited and polluted our community can go move to a forigen country and pay those workers less wages for the same work. This is not fair - when someone works at Domtar now has to work at Walmart for minimum wage - this is not progress. This is the de-evolution and downsizing of our community.

Walmart came into Canada after the signing of NAFTA like a locus, a disease feeding off of our misfortunes. At a time when manufacturing jobs are leaving Cornwall, the service sector is growing. Walmart has provided many jobs for our community, but not living wage work. A mother and father working at Walmart could not support a family. If these workers form unions, they may lose their jobs altogether. The Walmart in Quebec that started a union has been shut-down, sending a message to communities all over Canada including Cornwall. The reason why Walmart is so sucessful is because they sell for less. The sell us products from China, Bangladesh, they sell us products made by slave or inhumane labour.

Low paying workers in Canada are now forced to shop at Walmart instead of supporting the local economy. Once apon a time our neighbours owned or worked at locally run community buisnesses, now when we shop at Walmart we're helping to put our neighbours out of buisness. We are committing an act of economic suicide. Cornwall has high unemployment, a large underpayed working class, and Cornwall is facing an economic crisis. Unemployment and underpayed workers leads to theft, family violence, violence against women, suicide, drug use, and fustration. According to the Cornwall Community Police Service Report crime has increased in the last two years. Unemployement is destroying our community. The people of Cornwall are being reduced to consumers, not human beings. We deserve better than this.


I can't believe there is a Canadian alive who believes thAT NAFTA has helped the country.

   

Well, fact of the matter is that NAFTA has helped Canada despite it's flaws. Is it perfect? Nope. Do I even like it? Nope but at least I can tell the difference of the benefit of it.

   

Okay everybody, debate is all cool watch out for the slams. Im going to let this topic stay open for a little bit longer, even though its be a flame session since its first post. And remember, if you are having any problems with me, another moderator, or anyone else on the forums, feel free to contact me through PM or email, or contact any other site moderator.

   

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