Some Liberal MPs already deserting the coalition
mtbr @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:05 pm
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9009674.html
didn't take long
Thanos @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:12 pm
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Victoria MP Keith Martin says the two-month suspension of Parliament gives opposition parties a chance to open lines of communication with the government and work out a way to avert another crisis in the new year.
Hopefully these are the sort of reasonable people who will coalesce around Ignatieff instead of the radicals that are going to blindly follow Rae. I still consider it a major blow to the Tories that Keith Martin felt he had to leave the party. He's one of the good guys.
mtbr @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:15 pm
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgu ... p-jim.html
""The coalition -- the way that we're going right now -- it won't survive. I can't see it surviving. We have somebody who can't communicate and someone who can't communicate, its hard, its very hard...
"My French is limited. But I can tell you one thing: if I can communicate in English, I can communicate in English. If you can't communicate to the other 60 percent of the people when they listen to you -- and its a terrible speech and we bombed in the election. Well it says it right there, we bombed. We went from 96 seats to 76 seats...
"I know the NDP are vicious, and vicious when it comes to electing people of Parliament... It's not that I have mistrust of the NDP, I just think we need a better communication's person. Our communication sucks, it was shown last night. What else is there to say? "
mtbr @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:20 pm
and another!
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgu ... ral-p.html
Frank Valeriote does not favour a coalition government and instead hopes Prime Minister Stephen Harper can work toward rescuing the Canadian economy.
“I believe in working toward a solution, not working toward a coalition,” Guelph’s Liberal MP said Wednesday.
Valeriote added he does not believe a Liberal-NDP coalition, with support from the Bloc Quebecois, will unseat the Tories.
“I have given no thought to that,” Valeriote said when asked whether he saw himself in a cabinet role under such an arrangement. “I am not, frankly, anticipating moving into government.”
quick somebody get a mop and a bucket the dam has broken 
mtbr @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:19 pm
The CBC
Dissent in Liberal ranks appears after Parliament suspended
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/ ... ament.html
mtbr mtbr:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9009674.html
didn't take long
doubt it.. the torys are trying to once again break the law and buy them.. but doubt it. and if there are any who cross the floor they shouldnt be reelected.
But seriously.. all the banter isnt helping people who are losing their jobs in Ontario and Quebec and the eastern provinces.
faile @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:34 pm
kenmore kenmore:
mtbr mtbr:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9009674.html
didn't take long
doubt it.. the torys are trying to once again break the law and buy them.. but doubt it. and if there are any who cross the floor they shouldnt be reelected.
But seriously.. all the banter isnt helping people who are losing their jobs in Ontario and Quebec and the eastern provinces.
They don't need to cross the floor. The coalition needs 11 abstentions or 6 people voting against there party to fail. There would probably be sanctions for those people up to and including being ejected from the party, but there's no law saying one must cross the floor to vote against one's party. They don't even need to declare a 'free vote.' All that means is to an MP is that there won't be any sanctions for voting against the party.
mtbr @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:39 pm
Merge please.
The government didn't cause this economic crisis so how do you expect them to fix it? Dumping money at it? Thats not going to help.
Its the house of credit and non existing money that we've built our world around that is causing this.
People taking out mortgages or loans with no intention of paying it off. Living a life through digits that represent money that doesn't exist.
I know many people that work in the manufacturnig sector in high level jobs and corporations are going out of business on a frightening scale.
Someone will drop off parts to be processed one day. They have to be called back to come and get them because they just got rid of 11 workers and cant do the job and that company is already out of business. like..wtf.
These corprorations wont be getting bail outs. The auto industry might, but thats because they have a gun to the governments head to get it. Dont give us the money...we go out of business and ALLL those people who rely on us for pensions are SOL also. Give us a handout.
Frankly if people want the toxic problem in the system its the unions in certain areas.
Public jobs should have zero right to strike. I was very upset that they called that decision back.
Bailing people out isn't the free market we live in. You either make a profit or you fold your doors.
Does that local pizza shop get a bailout when they start losing money? Nope. They fold up or move shop or do something else to fix the problem.
Most people think that its just SO easy to fix this solution by dumping more money into the bucket.
It wont be that easy.
Its something that we'll have to weather and come out the other side.
We'd be in the same shape no matter WHAT party was leading us right now.
Any sane liberal MP that h as the best interests of this country at heart should be against this silly coalition and by the looks of it.....they're coming out of the woodwork.
kenmore kenmore:
mtbr mtbr:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9009674.html
didn't take long
doubt it.. the torys are trying to once again break the law and buy them.. but doubt it. and if there are any who cross the floor they shouldnt be reelected.
But seriously.. all the banter isnt helping people who are losing their jobs in Ontario and Quebec and the eastern provinces.
Interesting how concilliatory you've suddenly become now that the coalition's crumbling after less than a week.
Three days ago, you weren't worried about all the "bickering" and it's effect on workers. You were telling anyone opposed to the coalition this:
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Kenmore Wrote:I have never heard such whinging and snivelling by a bunch of sorry losers. I heard a guy on TV from Alberta say he was having trouble sleeping because the torys were going down .. get over it! ... fuck
Why the accomodating tone now Kenmore?
StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:
kenmore kenmore:
mtbr mtbr:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9009674.html
didn't take long
doubt it.. the torys are trying to once again break the law and buy them.. but doubt it. and if there are any who cross the floor they shouldnt be reelected.
But seriously.. all the banter isnt helping people who are losing their jobs in Ontario and Quebec and the eastern provinces.
Interesting how concilliatory you've suddenly become now that the coalition's crumbling after less than a week.
Three days ago, you weren't worried about all the "bickering" and it's effect on workers. You were telling anyone opposed to the coalition this:
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Kenmore Wrote:I have never heard such whinging and snivelling by a bunch of sorry losers. I heard a guy on TV from Alberta say he was having trouble sleeping because the torys were going down .. get over it! ... fuck
Why the accomodating tone now Kenmore?
right and the GG has spoken so lets move on with it. January will be a different month. The facts are that this reference to the bloc and Quebec is causing some major serious shit. time to mend some fences.
mtbr @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:00 pm
kenmore kenmore:
right and the GG has spoken so lets move on with it. January will be a different month. The facts are that this reference to the bloc and Quebec is causing some major serious shit. time to mend some fences.
The highest support is in Quebec 50%
"Fully 60 per cent of those interviewed said they opposed replacing the government with Liberal-NDP coalition supported by the Bloc Quebecois, compared with 37 per cent who favoured the idea. Support for the coalition was highest in Quebec at 50 per cent, followed by 44 per cent in Atlantic Canada."
Good luck with that, seems as though the Liberal media is pushing this "Quebec is angry " bit .
Scape @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:05 pm
Thanos Thanos:
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Victoria MP Keith Martin says the two-month suspension of Parliament gives opposition parties a chance to open lines of communication with the government and work out a way to avert another crisis in the new year.
Hopefully these are the sort of reasonable people who will coalesce around Ignatieff instead of the radicals that are going to blindly follow Rae. I still consider it a major blow to the Tories that Keith Martin felt he had to leave the party. He's one of the good guys.
Yep, and he has crossed the Rubicon so to speak with the Tories so he can't go back but he can be instrumental in making a bridge between the two parties. So long as it isn't sabotaged by the radicals.
Quebecers are pissed and pissed at Harper. He used Quebec as a threat to get his way.
It is going to come back and kick him in the nuts. Unless the torys get a new leader they will not get votes in Quebec.
kenmore kenmore:
Quebecers are pissed and pissed at Harper. He used Quebec as a threat to get his way.
It is going to come back and kick him in the nuts. Unless the torys get a new leader they will not get votes in Quebec.
They won't anyway. Harper pulled out all the stops over the last 3 years, giving Quebec everything they wanted. Remember the Quebecois Nation? The huge increase in transfer payments to correct the "fiscal imbalance", that Charest immediately put into tax cuts for Quebecers, at the expense of Ontarians and Albertans?
It didn't even translate into one extra seat.
Nothing any federal party ever does will appease Quebec.
What Quebecers should be concerned about is this.
At the very most, a meltdown in Quebec can only cost the Tories 10 seats. While if he plays this crisis right, he could pick up another 20 or so seats in BC, Ontario and the Maritimes. That would result in a Conservative
Majority government, based in red-neck Alberta, with absolutely no electoral stake in Quebec.
I doubt very much Quebec would get the same, obscenely disproportionate level of money, attention and favours they've been getting for the last 4 decades under that scenario.
Be careful what you wish for Kenmore.