Have You Seen the Anti-Abortion Ad featuring...Barack Obama?
RUEZ @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:20 pm
romanP romanP:
westmanguy westmanguy:
Nice.
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
You said "every life" not "human life". Still, I don't see what the difference is. Human life is animal life and vice versa. Why be speciesist? If life is sacred, then life is sacred, it shouldn't matter what shape or size it comes in.
Chicken eggs aren't life. They are unfertilized.
CanadianJeff @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:20 pm
romanP romanP:
westmanguy westmanguy:
Nice.
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
You said "every life" not "human life". Still, I don't see what the difference is. Human life is animal life and vice versa. Why be speciesist? If life is sacred, then life is sacred, it shouldn't matter what shape or size it comes in.
Can a chicken for example think about the meaning of life or speculate about why the sky is blue? What separates human life from animal life is extremely obvious. We are the only beings who can think on a fully scientific or philosophic level.
One does not care about stepping on an ant as much as one cares about running over a dog with good reason. One understands what the dog is capable of and what the ant is capable of. Our lives are much the same in comparison.
roger-roger @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:23 pm
CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
romanP romanP:
westmanguy westmanguy:
Nice.
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
You said "every life" not "human life". Still, I don't see what the difference is. Human life is animal life and vice versa. Why be speciesist? If life is sacred, then life is sacred, it shouldn't matter what shape or size it comes in.
Can a chicken for example think about the meaning of life or speculate about why the sky is blue? What separates human life from animal life is extremely obvious. We are the only beings who can think on a fully scientific or philosophic level.
One does not care about stepping on an ant as much as one cares about running over a dog with good reason. One understands what the dog is capable of and what the ant is capable of. Our lives are much the same in comparison.
A fetus is not a human life though, it is barely even classifiable as life, it doesnt..
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think about the meaning of life or speculate about why the sky is blue?
PluggyRug @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:25 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:
romanP romanP:
westmanguy westmanguy:
Nice.
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
Equating human life to animal life now? hmm?
You said "every life" not "human life". Still, I don't see what the difference is. Human life is animal life and vice versa. Why be speciesist? If life is sacred, then life is sacred, it shouldn't matter what shape or size it comes in.
Chicken eggs aren't life. They are unfertilized.
Not all, look for the red spot, means it's fertilized.
Brenda @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:26 pm
Isn't that on a sheeps back? 
roger-roger @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:28 pm
Who was it on here that told me some 50% of all fertilized eggs auto abort?
PluggyRug @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:30 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Isn't that on a sheeps back?
Inside the egg.
GordieCanuk @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:31 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
Basicly take figure A say how his mother, due to social issues of the time, could have been tempted to have an abortion. The same argument for a very evil person could be made, if Bin Ladens mother had aborted him....
The use of Obama is different from those other notable figure because of his current mass appeal. Like Obama or not there's no denying his overall popularity.
If this ad convinces even just a few women to reconsider their options...helping them to sway them away from choosing abortion, then its all good. It is about choice, nothing in the ad about banning access.
Brenda @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:35 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
Who was it on here that told me some 50% of all fertilized eggs auto abort?
According to this Wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage
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Prospective studies using very sensitive early pregnancy tests have found that 25% of pregnancies are miscarried by the sixth week LMP (since the woman's Last Menstrual Period).[27][28] Clinical miscarriages (those occurring after the sixth week LMP) occur in 8% of pregnancies.[28]
The risk of miscarriage decreases sharply after the 10th week LMP, i.e. when the fetal stage begins.[29] The loss rate between 8.5 weeks LMP and birth is about two percent; loss is “virtually complete by the end of the embryonic period."[30]
The risk of miscarriage decreases sharply after the 10th week LMP, i.e. when the fetal stage begins.[29] The loss rate between 8.5 weeks LMP and birth is about two percent; loss is “virtually complete by the end of the embryonic period."[30]
roger-roger @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:36 pm
If you are so undecided that it takes a commerical with Obama to sway your decision you should not be having kids in the first place. I still think they should make another commercial but have it about Pol Pot instead of Obama. The argument is exactly the same and should also be considered. 
RUEZ @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:37 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Not all, look for the red spot, means it's fertilized.
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Can you eat eggs with blood spots?
Eggs with a visible blood spot on the yolk are safe for consumption. The spot can be removed with the tip of a knife. Blood or "meat" spots are occasionally found on an egg yolk. These tiny spots are not harmful and are caused by the rupture of a blood vessel during formation of the egg. Blood spots do not indicate a fertilized egg. Mass candling methods reveal most blood spots and those eggs are removed, but even with electronic spotters, it is impossible to catch all of them. If desired, the spot can be removed with the tip of a clean knife prior to cooking. These eggs are safe to eat.
Eggs with a visible blood spot on the yolk are safe for consumption. The spot can be removed with the tip of a knife. Blood or "meat" spots are occasionally found on an egg yolk. These tiny spots are not harmful and are caused by the rupture of a blood vessel during formation of the egg. Blood spots do not indicate a fertilized egg. Mass candling methods reveal most blood spots and those eggs are removed, but even with electronic spotters, it is impossible to catch all of them. If desired, the spot can be removed with the tip of a clean knife prior to cooking. These eggs are safe to eat.
http://whatscookingamerica.net/Eggs/FAQ.htm
CanadianJeff @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:49 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
Who was it on here that told me some 50% of all fertilized eggs auto abort?
were not talking about getting rid of an egg in the first few weeks. Were talking about embryos that have been around long enough to say with good evidence will develop further into human beings. If left alone those embryos DO have a very high chance of developing into human beings. I am well aware that man pregnancies end in the first trimester on their own. But from your statements it sounds like you condemn all babies to the same fate until they are born. As not life.
So when in your eyes then does life begin. I would and could argue that scientifically the debate has already been solved as life starting inside the womb. The argument most people are confused with is the philosophical argument of what life is. The argument has already been solved by science long ago.
That embryo has it's own unique DNA and evolutionary process inside the womb and by science standards those were the two elements they looked for to mark a new and unique being thus by their terms "life". The argument is only truly philosophical at this point.
roger-roger @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:54 pm
Personally I feel life begins when the child leaves the womb, until then it is just a fetal growth. Im sure my view will change if I ever become a father, but until then that time I will hold the same position. I also do not edorse anyone else to have my position, and I admit my position is from an ignorant stance on pregnacy in general.
RUEZ @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:05 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
Personally I feel life begins when the child leaves the womb, until then it is just a fetal growth. Im sure my view will change if I ever become a father, but until then that time I will hold the same position. I also do not edorse anyone else to have my position, and I admit my position is from an ignorant stance on pregnacy in general.
So two women get pregnant at the same time. One woman has a premature birth at 7 months. Is that baby more alive then the one still growing inside it's mothers womb?
Pseudonym @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:06 pm
romanP romanP:
You said "every life" not "human life". Still, I don't see what the difference is. Human life is animal life and vice versa. Why be speciesist? If life is sacred, then life is sacred, it shouldn't matter what shape or size it comes in.
If you do not distinguish between animal and human life, then I foresee an enormous philosophical discussion before we could come to terms on this. Are you absolutely sure about that? It is one of the most depressing things I have read all day.