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Knoss @ Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:32 pm

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For crops farmers the reality is that labour is not the common "labour" variety and the help must possess operating skills which are highly marketable in construction and the oil patch.

The labour need is also mostly concentrated to planting and harvest. In my world those periods were heaven---no nights.



True in these times the farmer often has to spend all their time ensuring equipment is running as much s possible, however at other times maitenece of equipment and infrastructure must be done but to minimize work in busy times, labour needs to be spread though the year.

   



sasquatch2 @ Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:02 pm

Attempts to spread work only function to any extent in Southern Ontario.

Winter wheat and cannery crops such as peas do not work well on the high plains.
barley, oats, corn, beans stretches the planting season and spreads the harvest to an extent.
Haloween to April is off season............

Wheat, barley, canola all require SPRING planting and FALL harvest on the high plains.

:roll:

   



Knoss @ Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:54 pm

I was reffering to maintaining infrastructue so cattle get ou, maintaining equipment, doing little jobs that would be unessesary if one wasn't paying wages.

   



Knoss @ Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:05 pm

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I disagree. If you get into the huge operations you have to either

A - pay mechanics to maintaine and repair implements or

B - finance a bunch of new John Deere's every three years


option three buy used John Deere tractors run them for ten to fourty years (15 000 hours) when maitence is to frequent, sell for less, useing depreciation to take up income tax. Like the superstore in Regina, old equipment and buildings can have a negative value and it si more efficient to abandon or throw away then to maintain.

   



sasquatch2 @ Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:22 pm

Robair

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They'll out pull any ag equipment made in america.


On reflection, I believe the guys in Montana who build "BIG BUD" 747 V16 will take you up on that.

900 big-ass HP.....

GO FOR IT. [bash]

   



Robair @ Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:49 pm

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Robair
$1:
They'll out pull any ag equipment made in america.


On reflection, I believe the guys in Montana who build "BIG BUD" 747 V16 will take you up on that.

900 big-ass HP.....

GO FOR IT. [bash]
There's an engine shop in SK that put a Kirovets on the Dyno. They don't know what it was putting out because they opened the throttle and pieces of very expensive dyno equipement went flying across the shop.

Owner said he's had stiegers and big buds on there, but THAT'S never happened before.

He won't dyno another Kirovets... too expensive.

The HP they rate the Kirovets at is nowhere near accurate. They turn the fuel pump waaaayyy down to import them.

Don't know what would happen if you chained a Big Bud to a Kirovets, it would be a hell of a show but I wouldn't get too confident in the Bud there sparky. 8)

   



Knoss @ Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:05 pm

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Don't know what would happen if you chained a Big Bud to a Kirovets, it would be a hell of a show but I wouldn't get too confident in the Bud there sparky.


But is is reliable? Versatiles can easily last 30 years with no serious repairs.

   



Robair @ Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:35 pm

Knoss Knoss:
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Don't know what would happen if you chained a Big Bud to a Kirovets, it would be a hell of a show but I wouldn't get too confident in the Bud there sparky.


But is is reliable? Versatiles can easily last 30 years with no serious repairs.
You missed the point I originally set out to make. Or I failed to make the point... either way...

It was either you or grainfed that stated you have to be big to be cost effective. I stated that smaller operations can be more cost effective per acre and proceeded to use our operation as an example of what can be done.

We buy higher maintenance machines cheap, then turn them into low maintenace machines. We have a few mechanics, a machinist and an engineer in the family.

To answer your question, they are very reliable, after you iron out the bugs. We have never had a major problem (engine or tranny failure etc). It's all leaky fittings and shitty wiring. We now know what needs to be fixed/altered when we buy one and do not suffer down time in the field.

   



Knoss @ Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:57 pm

Sometimes it's better if they just blow up and you buy a new one. lol

I never really said that big farms are more cost effective only that policies should not benefit small farms over larger ones. You were the one who argued that big farms can manage inventory better. Of course you can use loans if you have a set price for grain by buying securities.

   



Robair @ Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:27 pm

Knoss Knoss:
Sometimes it's better if they just blow up and you buy a new one. lol
I suppose... if you've got money to burn and don't like getting your fingers dirty. If that's your MOA then you'd better go big.

Knoss Knoss:
I never really said that big farms are more cost effective only that policies should not benefit small farms over larger ones.
Should policy benefit large farms over small ones?
Knoss Knoss:
You were the one who argued that big farms can manage inventory better.
:x I said NO such thing and you know it.

   



Knoss @ Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:53 am

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'family farms' or smaller opperations are actually more efficiant than the big guys. The only real advantage the big operations have is time.

After harvest there are bills to pay for the years production. The reason some big operators are pushing for the demise of the single desk system is they don't have to sell the product right away to pay those bills, they can wait for a good price. They know the smaller operators are screwed, they have to sell right away, they don't have that cushion.


Oh what was that?

BTW why would large farms want to destroy small farms?

   



CapeApe @ Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:19 am

Knoss Knoss:
$1:
'family farms' or smaller opperations are actually more efficiant than the big guys. The only real advantage the big operations have is time.

After harvest there are bills to pay for the years production. The reason some big operators are pushing for the demise of the single desk system is they don't have to sell the product right away to pay those bills, they can wait for a good price. They know the smaller operators are screwed, they have to sell right away, they don't have that cushion.


Oh what was that?

BTW why would large farms want to destroy small farms?


so they can become even larger by buying MOM & POP outfits..and eventually have a monopoly...

   



Knoss @ Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:53 am

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so they can become even larger by buying MOM & POP outfits..and eventually have a monopoly...


That has not happened and is no where near happening; oil and steel are a lot closer to having a monopoly, yet competition exhists still.

Many farms are family run opperations, so long as the relationship is buisnesslike no problem is poised. Only when deals become unclear or there is unfair prefrence or to much focus on equality do problems arrise.

   



Robair @ Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:07 am

Knoss Knoss:
$1:
'family farms' or smaller opperations are actually more efficiant than the big guys. The only real advantage the big operations have is time.

After harvest there are bills to pay for the years production. The reason some big operators are pushing for the demise of the single desk system is they don't have to sell the product right away to pay those bills, they can wait for a good price. They know the smaller operators are screwed, they have to sell right away, they don't have that cushion.


Oh what was that?

BTW why would large farms want to destroy small farms?


If you honestly think that means "big farms can manage inventory better." then you are a few bricks shy of a load.

   



Knoss @ Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:10 am

Sorry, my mistake, if your argument is correct they can manage debt better.

   



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