BC Parents Will Have to Lie to Keep Kids out of Gay Advocacy
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Tricks @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:41 am
SireJoe SireJoe:
Whether what you MEANT was that it COULD be screened out but it cant be cause it isnt genetic. Is still the same stance as if it WAS genetic it SHOULD be screened out.
Not to speak for Jaime, but that is complete and utter bullshit. I could go kill half my school, does that mean should? Your a fucking idiot sometimes. Jaime is completely right. It is not genetic. There has always been talk of a sort of "gay gene" but it has never been proved. It doesn't look like it gets passed down. IT IS NOT FUCKING GENETIC! It is a random occurence in random people, or it is their chocie because they want to be "different." <<<< Those people piss me right off.
SireJoe @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:19 am
Tricks Tricks:
SireJoe SireJoe:
Whether what you MEANT was that it COULD be screened out but it cant be cause it isnt genetic. Is still the same stance as if it WAS genetic it SHOULD be screened out.
Not to speak for Jaime, but that is complete and utter bullshit. I could go kill half my school, does that mean should? Your a fucking idiot sometimes. Jaime is completely right. It is not genetic. There has always been talk of a sort of "gay gene" but it has never been proved. It doesn't look like it gets passed down. IT IS NOT FUCKING GENETIC! It is a random occurence in random people, or it is their chocie because they want to be "different." <<<< Those people piss me right off.What the hell does killing half your school have to do with being gay genetic?
Me thinks your a little off your rocker on this one.
And Im sorry if the concept of being gay is genetic scares you. But it is as possible as it being from anything else. No need to worry to much though. I DONT THINK ITS CONTAGIOUS.
And who in the fucking hell would "just want to be different" in this world? Man, you dont even have the first clue what the hell you are blathering about. You need to get over yourself. Someone "faking" being gay? To be different? Your an idiot.
Tricks @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:05 am
SireJoe SireJoe:
What the hell does killing half your school have to do with being gay genetic?
Jaime said that if it was genetic it could be screened for. You seem to think that that means it should be screened for. You some how think that was implied. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you.$1:
And Im sorry if the concept of being gay is genetic scares you. But it is as possible as it being from anything else. No need to worry to much though. I DONT THINK ITS CONTAGIOUS.
For fucks sake it isn't genetic. And of course it isn't contagious. I don't give a fuck if people are gay. Don't you dare try to label me you fucking prick.$1:
And who in the fucking hell would "just want to be different" in this world?
The same people who walk down the street with purple and green mohawks 3 feet high. $1:
Man, you dont even have the first clue what the hell you are blathering about.
Clearly it has been a long time since you have been to highschool. For instance. A girl at my school that I know was going out with a guy for the past two years. I come back this year, and she is suddenly a lesbian. What. The. Fuck? She chose to be to be different. She is one of those people. $1:
You need to get over yourself. Someone "faking" being gay? To be different? Your an idiot.
Learn how some of the anarchist think, then maybe we will talk. Until then, your a fucking prejudice shit disturber.
Firecat @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:22 am
$1:
. A girl at my school that I know was going out with a guy for the past two years. I come back this year, and she is suddenly a lesbian. What. The. Fuck? She chose to be to be different. She is one of those people.
If one can choose to be gay or lesbian, it then follows then that between your attraction to men and to women, you CHOSE to act on your attraction to women but not to men? Right?
Let me illustrate it most vividely for you, if I may.
A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
At puberty you didn't weigh whether you were attracted more to members of the same sex vs members of the opposite sex and make a choice. you responded to what you naturally felt atttracted to.
Sexuality is an innate response, not a learned one.
Let's have no more nonsense about "choosing to be gay" unless you are willing to grant you could have equally chosen a the other inherent attraction.
Firecat @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:29 am
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Hardy Hardy:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
They want the symbolism as well, that's all its about.
In Canada, I think that's largely true. Marriage may be the most convenient way to accomplish union, but others work for the most part. In the US there are probably more significant practical issues, like the impossibility of putting your unoffocial spouse(s) on health insurance plans, or giving them rights to survivorship in Social Security, etc.
Perhaps, but you could just as easily achieve that goal by making minor changes to a pile of government regulations, you don't need to change marriage to do it.
As I'm sure you're aware.
Hardy Hardy:
But, without worrying about those sorts of details, my position is that the government shouldn't meddle in anything where there's no clear benefit to be derived from it -- that the government should default to leaving things alone.
From that perspective, polygamy and gay marriage should be permitted, simply because nobody's ever shown any reason why they shouldn't. Whether or not gays and straights (or monogamists and polygamists) are naturally equal doesn't even come into play.
From that perspective, polygamy and gay marriage should be permitted, simply because nobody's ever shown any reason why they shouldn't. Whether or not gays and straights (or monogamists and polygamists) are naturally equal doesn't even come into play.
I'd agree. But I don't want to skip over the fact that people DO want to see government reflect the values of the community. And I think they're entitled to that. The alternative is to make government a value-neutral tool, which might be efficient, but will inspire no loyalty, affection, or allegiance. Government should be more than a well-designed urinal.
I would be happiest to see it always decided by ballot. Province-wide or state-wide. No doubt in some places it would win, some places it would lose.
I am loathe to see minority rights a matter of approval by the majority. In those circumstances women would still not be persons under the law.
Leave matter of legislation to the legislature and analysis of the law to the appropriate courts.
I'd no more try to cure cancer or build a piano than I would presume to make such an attempt without professional guidance and a lot of education.
I imagine applying this kind of logic to watching a concert violinist and allowing audiences members to stand up and shout "More pizzicato on the strings! And you call that bowing technique??"
Tricks @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:31 am
Firecat Firecat:
If one can choose to be gay or lesbian, it then follows then that between your attraction to men and to women, you CHOSE to act on your attraction to women but not to men? Right?
Wrong. The male hormone makes us attracted to women. $1:
Let me illustrate it most vividely for you, if I may.
A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
Good for you. You can now state the obvious.A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
$1:
At puberty you didn't weigh whether you were attracted more to members of the same sex vs members of the opposite sex and make a choice. you responded to what you naturally felt atttracted to.
Puberty would have had a part in this....if she wasn't 18. Thanks for coming.$1:
Sexuality is an innate response, not a learned one.
Unless the people choose otherwise.$1:
Let's have no more nonsense about "choosing to be gay" unless you are willing to grant you could have equally chosen a the other inherent attraction.
People can, and do, choose to be gay.
Scrappy @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:44 am
Firecat wrote: If one can choose to be gay or lesbian, it then follows then that between your attraction to men and to women, you CHOSE to act on your attraction to women but not to men? Right?
Let me illustrate it most vividely for you, if I may.
A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
At puberty you didn't weigh whether you were attracted more to members of the same sex vs members of the opposite sex and make a choice. you responded to what you naturally felt atttracted to.
Sexuality is an innate response, not a learned one.
Let's have no more nonsense about "choosing to be gay" unless you are willing to grant you could have equally chosen a the other inherent attraction.
Great post fella/lass and I agree. I watched a documentary on the "Womens Network" I whispered when I said that. that studied identical twins from utro into teens years. The study concluded that identical twins where one is gay and the other is not is genetic. They found an extra Cromo in the gay twin. They further elaborated that this process takes place in utro and during development of fetus. I believe a person is born gay, and no I don't thinks it is a life style choice -well maybe for Bi's.
Praise be to cat.
SireJoe @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:57 am
Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
If one can choose to be gay or lesbian, it then follows then that between your attraction to men and to women, you CHOSE to act on your attraction to women but not to men? Right?
Wrong. The male hormone makes us attracted to women. $1:
Let me illustrate it most vividely for you, if I may.
A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
Good for you. You can now state the obvious.A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
$1:
At puberty you didn't weigh whether you were attracted more to members of the same sex vs members of the opposite sex and make a choice. you responded to what you naturally felt atttracted to.
Puberty would have had a part in this....if she wasn't 18. Thanks for coming.$1:
Sexuality is an innate response, not a learned one.
Unless the people choose otherwise.$1:
Let's have no more nonsense about "choosing to be gay" unless you are willing to grant you could have equally chosen a the other inherent attraction.
People can, and do, choose to be gay.Your making assumptions based on the fact that gay people make you uncomfortable and therefore have a choice in who they are. Thus they CHOOSE to be gay cause to you, it is uncomforatble to even fathom the thought that they just ARE gay.
The instance of the girl saying she is now gay? Lets look at it from THIS side little boy. She is a little confused, not really understand who she is, she hears people ridiculing gay people, thinking they are disgusting. One day she gets talking with someone, a friend perhaps, she blurts out that SHE'S A LESBIAN! She cries because she is ashamed of who she is. Her friends comforts her, saying "its ok, you are who you are, we all still love you". BINGO! She feels relief and comfort in her friends. She now can be free to be herself. With no worries. No apprehension from people like you.
Hard to understand? Only from the narrow minded groups of people who think there is only one "normal". Thier "normal".
It aint a choice, just like being straight aint a choice. It just is what it is. You are who you are. You can pretend to be someone else, but ultimately, your true self will show through. Whether you like it or not.
Firecat @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:08 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
If one can choose to be gay or lesbian, it then follows then that between your attraction to men and to women, you CHOSE to act on your attraction to women but not to men? Right?
Wrong. The male hormone makes us attracted to women. $1:
Let me illustrate it most vividely for you, if I may.
A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
Good for you. You can now state the obvious.A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
$1:
At puberty you didn't weigh whether you were attracted more to members of the same sex vs members of the opposite sex and make a choice. you responded to what you naturally felt atttracted to.
Puberty would have had a part in this....if she wasn't 18. Thanks for coming.$1:
Sexuality is an innate response, not a learned one.
Unless the people choose otherwise.$1:
Let's have no more nonsense about "choosing to be gay" unless you are willing to grant you could have equally chosen a the other inherent attraction.
People can, and do, choose to be gay.The choice is only whether to live openly gay. Being gay is not a choice.
Testosterone does not make you heterosexual nor does lack of it make you gay.
If these theories of yours are based in any kind of specialized study, I'd love to hear more, otherwise you're criticising Yo Yo Ma's bowing technique.
The accepted science disputes all of your claims.
Tricks @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:11 pm
Firecat Firecat:
Tricks Tricks:
Firecat Firecat:
If one can choose to be gay or lesbian, it then follows then that between your attraction to men and to women, you CHOSE to act on your attraction to women but not to men? Right?
Wrong. The male hormone makes us attracted to women. $1:
Let me illustrate it most vividely for you, if I may.
A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
Good for you. You can now state the obvious.A gay man likely finds the thought of performing oral sex on a women repulsive in the extreme.
A heterosexual man feels the same about the thought of performing oral sex on a man. No "choice" is involved here . One needn't even think of it. It is hard-wired.
$1:
At puberty you didn't weigh whether you were attracted more to members of the same sex vs members of the opposite sex and make a choice. you responded to what you naturally felt atttracted to.
Puberty would have had a part in this....if she wasn't 18. Thanks for coming.$1:
Sexuality is an innate response, not a learned one.
Unless the people choose otherwise.$1:
Let's have no more nonsense about "choosing to be gay" unless you are willing to grant you could have equally chosen a the other inherent attraction.
People can, and do, choose to be gay.The choice is only whether to live openly gay. Being gay is not a choice.
Testosterone does not make you heterosexual nor does lack of it make you gay.
Tricks @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:16 pm
SireJoe SireJoe:
Your making assumptions based on the fact that gay people make you uncomfortable and therefore have a choice in who they are. Thus they CHOOSE to be gay cause to you, it is uncomforatble to even fathom the thought that they just ARE gay.
You're making the assumption that gay people make me uncomfortable. $1:
The instance of the girl saying she is now gay? Lets look at it from THIS side little boy. She is a little confused, not really understand who she is, she hears people ridiculing gay people, thinking they are disgusting. One day she gets talking with someone, a friend perhaps, she blurts out that SHE'S A LESBIAN! She cries because she is ashamed of who she is. Her friends comforts her, saying "its ok, you are who you are, we all still love you". BINGO! She feels relief and comfort in her friends. She now can be free to be herself. With no worries. No apprehension from people like you.
BULLSHIT! She wouldn't have gone out with someone for 2 years if that were true. You are making assumptions, and thinking up of rediculous situations.$1:
Hard to understand? Only from the narrow minded groups of people who think there is only one "normal". Thier "normal".
I don't care if someone is gay.$1:
It aint a choice, just like being straight aint a choice. It just is what it is. You are who you are. You can pretend to be someone else, but ultimately, your true self will show through. Whether you like it or not.
Again. Go back to highschool. Little anti-confomist/anarchists will purposely shy away from something they love for the sole reason of being an anti-conformist.
SireJoe @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:50 pm
My assumptions are no more rediculous than yours are. The difference is mine actually make sense whereas yours makes her just look like she is just trying to fit into a crowd that no one likes, which is within itself, a joke.
You dont know what your talking about on this. Its that simple.
Tricks @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:26 pm
SireJoe SireJoe:
My assumptions are no more rediculous than yours are. The difference is mine actually make sense whereas yours makes her just look like she is just trying to fit into a crowd that no one likes, which is within itself, a joke.
You dont know what your talking about on this. Its that simple.
You don't like gays? Well I don't mind them. That's very prejudice of you.
You dont know what your talking about on this. Its that simple.
Hardy @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:26 pm
Firecat Firecat:
I am loathe to see minority rights a matter of approval by the majority. In those circumstances women would still not be persons under the law.
Well, not quite. There are slightly more women in the population, so it would be men who would have no rights. And we live in what is supposed to be a democracy, so our legislators should be passing laws which reflect our wishes as a society.
Balancing democracy against the rights of minorities will always be a hard problem, which is part of why I said that government should keep its hands off things which it has no reason to involve itself in. Laws strip people of rights, hopefully for the good of society, and governments make laws. There's no getting around that, whatever form of government one may have, so the only real limit one can impose is to make sure that the government strips nobody of any rights unless it can justify doing so in a logically compelling manner.
And when it comes to things like regulating marriage, that will never happen.
SireJoe @ Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:38 pm
Tricks Tricks:
SireJoe SireJoe:
My assumptions are no more rediculous than yours are. The difference is mine actually make sense whereas yours makes her just look like she is just trying to fit into a crowd that no one likes, which is within itself, a joke.
You dont know what your talking about on this. Its that simple.
You don't like gays? Well I don't mind them. That's very prejudice of you.You dont know what your talking about on this. Its that simple.
Com-pre-hen-shun. Leeeearrrn it little boy, leeearrn it. It will be of great help in your future.
Although I will agree with you. The "no one likes" is off. It should have been, a group that many people do not approve of. Or something a little more politically correct along those lines.
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