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hOW DO WE STOP THIS BULLSHIT

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ziggy @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:40 am

Has a sign right on his front door that says NO CREDIT. :wink:

   



BartSimpson @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:53 am

IceOwl IceOwl:
Well, at least you can admit that there's not much good about being a right-wing knob.


Oh, no. The best part, the very best part that is, is that I can invest time and effort into pissing you off.

Whenever something goes on in the world that upsets me I know I can always just sit back and relax with the calm assurance that my mere existence causes you no end of discomfort.

Yep, pissing you off is the absolute best part of being a right-wing knob. :lol:

A matter of fact, this post will piss you off and your response to it will prove me right.

Life is so good. 8)

   



Arctic_Menace @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:20 am

maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:
IceOwl IceOwl:
The solution? Legalize and regulate all of them!


You know what Iceowl, I think that suggestion may have some merit. It's incredibly problematic, but the fact is the current status quo doesn't seem to be working very well.

The problem is people like you who suggest it, invariably haven't thought it through.

If you can articulate a workable, well thought out way of legalizing and regulating illicit drugs, and back it up, I might even agree with you.

I'll be interested in seeing if your response will be longer than 2 lines though.


Here's a start:

1. Legalise all drugs
2. Allow people to make/grow their own if they want.
3. Classify drugs between those requiring medical/pharmaceutical prescription and lighter drugs that can be sold more openly (such as marijuana and alcohol)
4. Only allow persons of 18 years and older or another legally determined age to legally purchase drugs. Harder drugs would be sold by Pharmacies/Chemists, and only after a consultation to ensure users are aware of risks and to determine safe dosages. Marijuana could be sold from liquor stores/offlicences as alcohol is now
5. Enforce quality standards on all drugs
6. Treat Addiction as an illness, and provide medical services to help addicts beat their problem.
7. Tax drugs and use the income to fund drug use training in schools, quality enforcement, addiction assistance/medical help for addicts, and medical/pharmaceutical training
8. Make it illegal for anyone to supply drugs to minors, with harsh penalties (say 1 years mandatory community service followed by 10 years in prison)
9. Impose harsh penalties (large fines, community service and imprisonment) on anyone who causes harm to anyone else whilst under the influence of drugs. No distinction is made between alcohol and other drugs. Driving whilst under the influence of drugs and alcohol should be treated as a major offence, whether someone is injured or not. It is effectively attempted manslaughter, at the very minimum. Big fines along with compulsory re-education and community service (a substantial amount of it-like 2 years) should be followed by a mandatory minimum jail term for any subsequent offence.
10. Make the giving of drugs to another person without their consent a serious criminal assault, punishable by a combination of prison and mandatory community service.

By legalising drugs and items 1-10 above, we would be doing the following:

1. People wishing to use drugs could do so without being a criminal
2. Children would not come into contact with the criminal underworld like they do now. Life would revert to a situation where most people would have nothing at all to do with crime.
3. Drug deaths and medical costs would decline radically because drugs would be quality controlled, and not mixed with harmful substances which cause most of the medical problems. Overdoses would be very rare, as users would know their correct doses.
4. All the money made by drug traffickers would stay in the mainstream of society, and not go to funding other criminal activities.
5. Street crime would virtually disappear, along with its main cause, getting money so an addict can fund their next fix.
6. The growing division in our society between the police and people generally would reverse, as so-called 'victimless crimes' would no longer be illegal.
7. Instead of £$Billions each year going to criminals, governments could collect taxes on drugs sold legitimately through off-licenses, drug stores, pharmacies and liquor stores. You can bet the government would like this! Wake up you politicians out there!
8. A new respect for individual rights would invigorate our society
9. Driving under the influence of any drug would be seen as a serious crime, requiring recompense to the community, even if no one had been hurt.
10. The fascination of drugs to children, part of which is driven by its present illegality and anti-establishmentary disposition, would reduce dramatically. Drugs could be openly discussed, and whilst experimentation would never stop (as it never has with tobacco or alcohol), the interest in the harder drugs in particular would decline, as their 'on the street' illegal connection through drug dealers would cease.
11. Our streets would be safe again, with no need for gang wars over drug territories, etc.


Now that's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. 8O

I don't even know where to start......Someone like you who believes the way you do that legalizing drugs is a good thing, will most likely disregard all information I give him...........I've been trying to make people more aware of the negatives and effects of drugs / legalizing drugs for years now.....it's tough...really tough.

..........Frankly, I don't know what to say... [?] How did you even come up with that shit man?????



Except that he does have a point. But we never know what the actual result will be, if this was to all go according to plan, it probably could work. But there are upsides donwnsides and loophole sthat would be found.But look at those Dutchmen, they got it fine over there, and guess what? Pot is legal.






And Bart, that post of yours make me question what kind of person you are in real life. 8O

   



Motorcycleboy @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:40 am

figfarmer figfarmer:
They do rat on him. The few cops he informs to protect him. He has been charged with all sorts of stuff by other cops and it never gets to court. I've seen him slap cops around twice. When you're a good rat you're untouchable.


Bullshit. You've "seen him slap cops around" have you? And they didn't do anything about it eh?

I'm sure that's exactly how it happened too.

   



figfarmer @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:52 am

Although there are childish, disagreeable folks around who would dispute what they know nothing about I shall ignore them.

I just realised that all my explaining the hopelessness and need for attention/parenting that drives kids into the arms of perverts and thugs has already been done in a song I wrote a few years ago. It is over here http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus ... ndID=45745 and it is called Belong to something.

   



maple_leaf1 @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:23 pm

Crystal Meth

   



icekarma2752 @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:27 am

figfarmer figfarmer:
I dunno if he has a quota or what, but he's turned in at least four other pushers plus God only knows who else. In exchange he gets enough protection that he is comfortable growing dope in his dooryard, driving around in any old unplated vehicle, shooting dozens of deer every year, cutting wood on crown land or anybody else's land he feels like and the list goes on and on. If anyone calls anything in the usual line is, "Yes, we suspect this, but we can't catch him at it." It's hopeless.

any possibility he maybe a cop?

   



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