hOW DO WE STOP THIS BULLSHIT
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ziggy @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:46 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
ziggy ziggy:
PDF files are simple,just click like any other link.
SSM has nothing to do with this topic. You seem to fit it into every one though.
SSM has nothing to do with this topic. You seem to fit it into every one though.
Dodge yet again. The question is about rights.
Ahhhh,the old "hit em with the dodge comment" when they wont answer a question irrelevant to the topic.
I think you know my position on SSM and hope your not trying to "hit" on me.
DerbyX @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:49 pm
ziggy ziggy:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ziggy ziggy:
PDF files are simple,just click like any other link.
SSM has nothing to do with this topic. You seem to fit it into every one though.
SSM has nothing to do with this topic. You seem to fit it into every one though.
Dodge yet again. The question is about rights.
Ahhhh,the old "hit em with the dodge comment" when they wont answer a question irrelevant to the topic.
I think you know my position on SSM and hope your not trying to "hit" on me.
Actually I don't. Your position isn't entirely relevant because I wanted your opinion on the hypocritical conservative stance that decries any attempt to take firearms away as "against their rights" while supporting doing the same thing to another groupp of people.
ziggy @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:52 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
ziggy ziggy:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ziggy ziggy:
PDF files are simple,just click like any other link.
SSM has nothing to do with this topic. You seem to fit it into every one though.
SSM has nothing to do with this topic. You seem to fit it into every one though.
Dodge yet again. The question is about rights.
Ahhhh,the old "hit em with the dodge comment" when they wont answer a question irrelevant to the topic.
I think you know my position on SSM and hope your not trying to "hit" on me.
Actually I don't. Your position isn't entirely relevant because I wanted your opinion on the hypocritical conservative stance that decries any attempt to take firearms away as "against their rights" while supporting doing the same thing to another groupp of people.
The right to protect yourself and the "right" to marry your own gender you mean? Harper said there would be a free vote,that scare you?
Wullu @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:53 pm
IcedCap IcedCap:
Wullu Wullu:
A cop, who is trained to react in situations that would make most folks pee their pants would have had no effect other than to escalate the situation? Is that what you really mean? Following that logic then, an on duty plain clothes cop should also just stand by and let innocent citizens be slaughtered by some poor misunderstood "excluded" ? 
In this situation with multiple shooters in different locations in unlikely an armed off-duty cop would've done any good. Besides this cop was shot in the leg which indicates to me he didn't even notice the gunplay till it was too late, even if he had a gun he still would've been shot and be immobile
Not knowing the situation, like everyone else on these boards, myself included, you are assuming he was shot without knowing what was happening. Could he not have been shot while doing his job? You know, serving and protecting? Suppose he was armed and managed to a round or two off at the assholes? Think maybe they might have made an OH SHIT call and booted it before firing all the rounds they did fire.
My dad was a cop for 38 years. I have met literally hundreds of cops and one thing I can say with absolute certainty is that they are never off duty. Even after they retire they ain't off duty...... Hell my dad pulled over a drunk driver and took his keys away while we were out for a Sunday drive! We tossed him in our car and mom drove his car to his house. We got a Xmas card from them 5 months later.
DerbyX @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:01 pm
ziggy ziggy:
The right to protect yourself and the "right" to marry your own gender you mean? Harper said there would be a free vote,that scare you?
Since you aren't answering I'll take it you can't bring yourself to admit that its hypocracy.
Care to put gun ownership up to a free vote. Suppose all those liberal minded easterners and quebeckers vote to ban all guns?
If the vote went against you would you comply? I doubt it.
The rights for gays to marry is no different then the right for someone to own a firearm.
PluggyRug @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:02 pm
IcedCap IcedCap:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Because he's disarmed.
so because he had no gun he just stood there and waited to get shot? no, more likely the first he knew of the gunfire was getting hit by a bullet which, unless he was wearing the holster somewhere that would've deflected the bullet away, would've still happened gun or no gun
If the constable had been armed, his training would have kicked in and maybe he could have blown the head off a couple of those lowlifes.
Who knows, I don't, you don't but I would still give him the benefit of the doubt.
Emasculated by a bleeding heart system.
IcedCap @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:05 pm
Wullu Wullu:
Not knowing the situation, like everyone else on these boards, myself included, you are assuming he was shot without knowing what was happening. Could he not have been shot while doing his job? You know, serving and protecting? Suppose he was armed and managed to a round or two off at the assholes? Think maybe they might have made an OH SHIT call and booted it before firing all the rounds they did fire.
Yeah well that's true enough but considering he was shopping with his wife I think his first thought, quite rightly, wouldn't be protecting and serving the public but protecting his loved one
ziggy @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:06 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
ziggy ziggy:
The right to protect yourself and the "right" to marry your own gender you mean? Harper said there would be a free vote,that scare you?
Since you aren't answering I'll take it you can't bring yourself to admit that its hypocracy.
Care to put gun ownership up to a free vote. Suppose all those liberal minded easterners and quebeckers vote to ban all guns?
If the vote went against you would you comply? I doubt it.
The rights for gays to marry is no different then the right for someone to own a firearm.
The topic isnt about SSM dude. Ralph K. said he would comply and did, that answer your question? Allthough he didnt like it he respected the democratic process and let it happen.
DerbyX @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:11 pm
ziggy ziggy:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ziggy ziggy:
The right to protect yourself and the "right" to marry your own gender you mean? Harper said there would be a free vote,that scare you?
Since you aren't answering I'll take it you can't bring yourself to admit that its hypocracy.
Care to put gun ownership up to a free vote. Suppose all those liberal minded easterners and quebeckers vote to ban all guns?
If the vote went against you would you comply? I doubt it.
The rights for gays to marry is no different then the right for someone to own a firearm.
The topic isnt about SSM dude. Ralph K. said he would comply and did, that answer your question? Allthough he didnt like it he respected the democratic process and let it happen.
You are right that the topic at hand was how to stop the gun violence but it was germain to our discussion.
IcedCap @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:11 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
If the constable had been armed, his training would have kicked in and maybe he could have blown the head off a couple of those lowlifes.
well if his training kicked in he wouldn't have gone for the head anyway
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Who knows, I don't, you don't but I would still give him the benefit of the doubt.
Emasculated by a bleeding heart system.
Emasculated by a bleeding heart system.
Who's denying him the benefit of the doubt? I'm just not making fanciful leaps of faith about a lone cop taking on half a dozen gangsters and walking away like Bruce Willis in Die Hard
Wullu @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:12 pm
IcedCap IcedCap:
Wullu Wullu:
Not knowing the situation, like everyone else on these boards, myself included, you are assuming he was shot without knowing what was happening. Could he not have been shot while doing his job? You know, serving and protecting? Suppose he was armed and managed to a round or two off at the assholes? Think maybe they might have made an OH SHIT call and booted it before firing all the rounds they did fire.
Yeah well that's true enough but considering he was shopping with his wife I think his first thought, quite rightly, wouldn't be protecting and serving the public but protecting his loved one
And if he was armed he could done that much greater effectiveness. Would he have been expecting this? Of course not. Would he have drawn and fired if armed? I am thinking yes. It is no fun being in a fair fight, it could have just maybe caused fewer casualties if the assholes knew there was someone on the receiving side who was returning fire.
IcedCap @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:14 pm
Wullu Wullu:
And if he was armed he could done that much greater effectiveness. Would he have been expecting this? Of course not. Would he have drawn and fired if armed? I am thinking yes. It is no fun being in a fair fight, it could have just maybe caused fewer casualties if the assholes knew there was someone on the receiving side who was returning fire.
There was someone on the other side!!! it was two gangs shooting at each other
PluggyRug @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:17 pm
Hey guy's we got two threads in one here.
DerbyX @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:24 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Hey guy's we got two threads in one here.
Post Xmas sale, 2 for one.
Wullu @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:25 pm
IcedCap IcedCap:
Wullu Wullu:
And if he was armed he could done that much greater effectiveness. Would he have been expecting this? Of course not. Would he have drawn and fired if armed? I am thinking yes. It is no fun being in a fair fight, it could have just maybe caused fewer casualties if the assholes knew there was someone on the receiving side who was returning fire.
There was someone on the other side!!! it was two gangs shooting at each other
Fair enough, but I remain convinced that an armed cop in that situation is gonna be a hell of alot more useful than an unarmed cop. First cops are trained to react in stressful situations and more importantly the cop is trained in actually hitting targets, not spraying rounds without regard. The latest report I read was 1 possibly more guns used. If the constable had been able to take down one of them.......... Well we will never know now.
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