Canada Kicks Ass
Is Immigration destroying Canada?

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wolfwithin @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:37 pm

Food for thought with all the changes to our nation's traditions so as not to "OFFEND" new arrivals.....
When folks arrive here to start a new life, put their children in our schools and scream offense because of our CANADIAN traditions and holidays...
I personally am offended that these people do not want their children learning the "multi cultural" traditions and holidays of Canadians - it's as if they don't want their children to learn about the country they have "chosen" to come to and have settled in...
pretty narrow minded, selfish, self centered and arrogant!
We have to tolerate their new ways, yet, they expect us to halt ours and DON'T want their children to participate in Canadian mannerisms... hmmmm
We have to stop hindering our ways and expect those that "chose" to come here to accept our Canadian values.

   



Pimpbrewski @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:16 pm

Actually, immigration itself is not the problem. It's where the immigrants come from.

To those who argue that this country was founded on immigrants, yes it was. But look at where the immigrants came from, back in the day. Mostly Europe.

Nowadays, it's from the Middle East, India and other ``uncivilized`` countries.

Now, I don't want to generalize but.... From what we have seen, they do not, for the most part, respect our cultures and traditions and instead they want to impose and force their own. If not, then it's not acceptable to them. And we are seen as intolerant.

Anyways, if we need more immigrants in this country, let it come from Europe, just like the good 'ol days :D .

   



Bruce_the_vii @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:09 pm

Well, you know some 45% of the adults that immigrate here have university degrees (I checked the CIC site). They are not so much Indians and Chinese but middle class people from there. This is part of the reason that the influx doesn't really cause a cultural disturbance.

   



CommanderSock @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:14 am

The british bums that arrived here 100 years ago are no different than the Indians and Chinese today, please, "uncivilized", it took Western Europe 2 world wars to become "civilized". Those Europeans that arrived here were the same sack of potatoes. The Italian mafia of the 50s and 60s wasn't any different than the youthful thuggery of the poor immigrant's offspring today.

   



romanP @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:34 pm

Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Now, I don't want to generalize but.... From what we have seen, they do not, for the most part, respect our cultures and traditions and instead they want to impose and force their own. If not, then it's not acceptable to them. And we are seen as intolerant.


The same way our ancestors came here and respected the cultures and traditions of the natives, by killing most of them and forcing them onto reserves, and then harassing them with the law when they try to make a living that earns our currency using their methods?

I think we're not too bad off, considering what's happened in the past 600 years.

If you're worried about your culture being threatened, that's not an immigrant's fault. If you want your culture to stay alive, you are the who has to practise it.

   



hwacker @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:46 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
The british bums that arrived here 100 years ago are no different than the Indians and Chinese today, please, "uncivilized", it took Western Europe 2 world wars to become "civilized". Those Europeans that arrived here were the same sack of potatoes. The Italian mafia of the 50s and 60s wasn't any different than the youthful thuggery of the poor immigrant's offspring today.


British "bums" as you call them built this country ahole.

   



Brenda @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:48 pm

There is no way you can compare "immigration of the ancestors" to immigration nowadays.

600 years ago, it was no immigration but invasion. Now, in the modern day society, we have rules and regulations.

There has been enough fighting over power, if you want to move to another country, either invade it with force, and take over like 600 years ago, or adapt...
If you want to invade, don't apply for a visa and promise you will obey the rules of your new country.

   



Mustang1 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:50 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
The british bums that arrived here 100 years ago are no different than the Indians and Chinese today, please, "uncivilized", it took Western Europe 2 world wars to become "civilized". Those Europeans that arrived here were the same sack of potatoes. The Italian mafia of the 50s and 60s wasn't any different than the youthful thuggery of the poor immigrant's offspring today.


Huh? Western Europe was what exactly BEFORE the 2 World Wars? I'd love to see this definition of "civilized" because if they weren't in 1913, who the heck was?

   



CommanderSock @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:47 am

$1:
British "bums" as you call them built this country ahole.


Thank you, precisely my point, walk into Research in Motion (RIM) and its the same "uncivilized" indians/pakistanis that are staffing it. Walk into any of the GTA's luxury condos and see "uncivilized" indians/africans living there. Walk into the Manulife Office, BMO, ScotiaBank, 'the people from uncivilized countries". Why don't you take a stroll through Mississauga's richest neighborhoods and see those same people from uncivilized countries reside there? Since they are so uncivilized, why do so many of them do so well economically. Yes, many dont, but many go straight to the top. Point me out the difference between these "people from uncivilized countries", and the British who came here 100 years ago.

ps, in fact, next time you're on the 401, 407, QEW, why don't you take a look inside the most expensive cars on the road, and tell me who drives them?

   



Orpheus_Emerged @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:51 am

Immigration built this country.

Chinese immigrants connected the nation by building the Transcontinental Railroad as indentured, and expendable, servants.

Ukranian and other Balkan immigrants farmed the prairies, French tradesman mapped the north, the Irish came and covered the Maritimes in fishing vessels, and so on...

European famines, war, and the Gold Rush may have driven them here, but they stayed and made it their home and contributed to our culture, technology and economy.

Currently, where I'm from (BC), Sikh families are the primary immigrants - coming to fill desperately empty jobs as tradesmen and truck drivers and agricultural workers. I've come to know some of them, and like every other race or nationality they have a plethora of good points and bad; young Sikh boys are filled with machismo, and form gangs and compete in street races, while the temples serve free food to all who could want or need it and the workers are diligent.

Within two generations all but a fraction will have become assimilated into our culture, while contributing parts of their own.

   



CommanderSock @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:02 am

I apologize for my negligence, in my previous post I did overlook to mention the fact that; and as Orpheus_Emerged pointed out, this country is built on layer upon layer of immigrant assimilation. Not, dropping one's culture, but a merger of cultures if you will. In fact, as Hwacker said, "British "bums" as you call them built this country ahole."

He is absolutely right, however, the new immigrants as I mentioned in my following post certainly aren't destroying it. They are also contributing, making it better. They are involved in the economy at the highest tier, they are involved in the decision making by coming out to vote, and in all generalization, they are building this country as much as the "british bums".

   



Pimpbrewski @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:23 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
$1:
British "bums" as you call them built this country ahole.

Point me out the difference between these "people from uncivilized countries", and the British who came here 100 years ago.


Then please tell us who was responsible for the Industrial Revolution !!!

The Middle East, India, Africa, Haiti or whatever... were not responsible for the modernisation that took place and for the technological advances that is still evolving to the present time.

The Brits and the French are the ones who built this country to the respectability of which it currently holds.

   



CommanderSock @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:09 pm

I'll dig up a little article of the Economist that shows that China had an industrial revolution, the first kind the world had seen. Manchester of England was responsible for the 2nd modernization, and the first of the western world, spreading both east and west of its region, and hence giving the impression that it was the first.

I believe you didn't read my following posts. This forum started with the question "Is immigration destroying Canada?", and I have responded by simply pointing out that Canada is becoming better all the time, everywhere we look things are better than they once were. Economically certainly, and in my area of residence, socially too.

   



Bruce_the_vii @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:37 pm

The arguement that Canada was build by immigrants, that we have always economically assimilated them in the past despite doubts is an irrevalence. The question is what is happening today. And the answer is there is poverty and population causes this.

In the 1950's immigrants came here and quickly went to work in plants and factories that were unionized and world class. They prospered, bought houses and eventually got retirement packages. Today we see immigrants working at donut shops. It's nothing to boast about.

   



Wally_Sconce @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:43 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
I apologize for my negligence, in my previous post I did overlook to mention the fact that; and as Orpheus_Emerged pointed out, this country is built on layer upon layer of immigrant assimilation. Not, dropping one's culture, but a merger of cultures if you will. In fact, as Hwacker said, "British "bums" as you call them built this country ahole."

He is absolutely right, however, the new immigrants as I mentioned in my following post certainly aren't destroying it. They are also contributing, making it better. They are involved in the economy at the highest tier, they are involved in the decision making by coming out to vote, and in all generalization, they are building this country as much as the "british bums".


Aside from the last 20-30 years where we rely on CBC to define what Canada is all about...

....does this "Canadian mozaic" come up in the early years of Canada?

I'm just curious if it is a recently manufacture philosophy that is supposed to set us apart from the "american melting pot" or if it is truly a concept that Canadians have always supported?

   



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