Should the CBC be privatized
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Brenda @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:09 am
poquas poquas:
Brenda Brenda:
And a private company can't do that?
The point is a private company WON'T do that like a Private post office wouldn't deliver mail to rural areas where it costs too much.
I have to pick up my mail at the post office
I think a privat company would. There will always be companies who see the money in it and go for it... I live in Rural BC, and I have TV and radio. I even have a working cell! Those are private companies delivering their service to me. The only ones making a mess, are the government ones (water, sewer...)
$1:
Brenda Brenda:
If you want updated news every 15 minutes, go online. Like you go online for updated news, because on TV, you're NOT gonna find it.
There are still huge numbers of people that either can't or won't ever go online either because it costs money for a computer and online access or there is simply no internet available to them.
The radio and TV services don't cost anyone to receive and is available in more places than the internet is. I practiced for awhile in northern Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and I was glad for CBC radio or even a poor TV signal over rabbit ears.
Why do I pay so much for TV-cable signal if it is free? The same cable provides me with internet (well, in my case, my telephone line does, since the cable-provided internet had a lousy connection).
For the people who don't have cable, they probably have a satalite dish, or read the paper.
Sapio @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:50 am
With the internet CBC is even more useless. Any they play can be found online.
poquas @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:00 am
Brenda Brenda:
I have to pick up my mail at the post office
I think a privat company would. There will always be companies who see the money in it and go for it... I live in Rural BC, and I have TV and radio. I even have a working cell! Those are private companies delivering their service to me. The only ones making a mess, are the government ones (water, sewer...)
I think a privat company would. There will always be companies who see the money in it and go for it... I live in Rural BC, and I have TV and radio. I even have a working cell! Those are private companies delivering their service to me. The only ones making a mess, are the government ones (water, sewer...)
You happen to be in an area that justifies the cost involved to provide a profitable service. I’ll bet within a half hours drive of wherever you live, there is no service at all (except for CBC radio).
I had a friend working as a consultant with Canada Post when Mulrony first had them look at privatization. You probably wouldn't have had a post office to pick your mail up at, or "Mel's handy dandy mail delivery service" was going to charge a buck or more per envelope. A private company has to make a profit, and I guarantee nobody would be willing to fill in the holes that would result without making the customer pay through the nose.
More to the point, a little tax money (and it really is a little in the scheme of things) provides a national service I'd hate to see disappear.
Brenda Brenda:
Why do I pay so much for TV-cable signal if it is free? The same cable provides me with internet (well, in my case, my telephone line does, since the cable-provided internet had a lousy connection).
For the people who don't have cable, they probably have a satalite dish, or read the paper.
For the people who don't have cable, they probably have a satalite dish, or read the paper.
The off air signal is free. The cable or satellite charges you extra because they provide more than one channel, have an infrastructure to support and HAVE to make a profit to do it. They do get it for free.
Yogi @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:02 am
From MY perspective. CBC's main stumbling block is 'in the delivery'. CBC is first and foremost a news station, but that same news is to be had on every other station on the dial. Where CBC differs on that front is that they tend to go much deeper into a story. Often creating a full program about a single item. What could be an interesting 'listen', more often than not, quickly turns into a 'turn the dial to anything else' situation. The delivery is dry and boring! I can really get into 'talk radio', but unfortunately the people on air at CBC come across as "I don't really want to be here doing this, but I need the money"!
By now you would think that CBC would have clued in! They don't necessarily need to change their music format, although a bit of C&W or 'golden oldies' wouldn't hurt! What they really should do, again this is only MY opinion, is hire some real DJ's, ( God knows they have the budget for it), thereby attracting more listeners, which would lead to attracting more advertisers, and in the end, hopefully, become self-sufficient.
Brenda @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:08 am
The roads are covered with signal. Don't go into the woods though (don't go onto the great lakes of Ontario either...). I have not been out of signal here though.
The Purolator or whatever courier service doesn't deliver to homes either if there is only a box#. They can't deliver at the post office. A local store gets me my packages. At no cost.
Anyway, I still have not seen a valid reason for the CBC to get as much funding as they do. And don't forget you pay for that too. I rather see the money that is spent on the CBC go to sportssubsidy for kids. Make it cheaper for kids to get into a recreational sport, and keep them fit.
bootlegga @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:32 am
Yogi Yogi:
From MY perspective. CBC's main stumbling block is 'in the delivery'. CBC is first and foremost a news station, but that same news is to be had on every other station on the dial. Where CBC differs on that front is that they tend to go much deeper into a story. Often creating a full program about a single item. What could be an interesting 'listen', more often than not, quickly turns into a 'turn the dial to anything else' situation. The delivery is dry and boring! I can really get into 'talk radio', but unfortunately the people on air at CBC come across as "I don't really want to be here doing this, but I need the money"!
By now you would think that CBC would have clued in! They don't necessarily need to change their music format, although a bit of C&W or 'golden oldies' wouldn't hurt! What they really should do, again this is only MY opinion, is hire some real DJ's, ( God knows they have the budget for it), thereby attracting more listeners, which would lead to attracting more advertisers, and in the end, hopefully, become self-sufficient.
By now you would think that CBC would have clued in! They don't necessarily need to change their music format, although a bit of C&W or 'golden oldies' wouldn't hurt! What they really should do, again this is only MY opinion, is hire some real DJ's, ( God knows they have the budget for it), thereby attracting more listeners, which would lead to attracting more advertisers, and in the end, hopefully, become self-sufficient.
Nope, CBC is not a news station first and foremost, it is a television channel with news on it. If it was a news channel, news would occupy more than 3 or 4 hours a day.
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/docs/pol ... date.shtml
That's CBC radio's mandate, but I'm sure CBC TV is pretty close to that.
The CBC's job is to provide a national broadcaster, in both English and French, to provide a variety of programming, not just news. Perhaps if CTV and Global had more Canadian made programs, the CBC wouldn't be as important as it is, but the private networks have only as much Canadian content as they are forced to. CBC regularly produces documentaries, period dramas, comedy shows, etc all made in Canada, by Canadians for Canadians.
Maybe you like watching hours and hours of Survivor, So you Think you can Dance, and Idol, but I prefer watching TV that doesn't rot my brain and/or insult my intelligence while I watch. I'm obviously in the minority, but the CBC does a far better job of producing Canadian content than the private networks do.
And I have to agree with Poquas, the biggest reason the CBC is needed because it fills a gap that private broadcasters won't touch (because they can't make enough of a profit on it).
Yogi @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:50 am
[quote="bootlegga"]
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Maybe you like watching hours and hours of Survivor, So you Think you can Dance, and Idol, but I prefer watching TV that doesn't rot my brain and/or insult my intelligence while I watch. I'm obviously in the minority, but the CBC does a far better job of producing Canadian content than the private networks do.
I 'tried' to watch 'survivor' once. I lasted 8 mins. Since I don't dance, I don't have any interest in watching those who think they can! I will watch shows such as NCIS or CSI, Law and Order type shows. As to the 'sik-coms', I am terribly out of touch!
Although I do watch 'other channels' periodically, the only stations programed into my tv remotes are; History, National Geographic, MSNBC, A&E, CNN, Global for the local news which I usually watch at 6 and CTV for the National/local which I catch at 11.
Actually makes me wonder why I have star choice! In fact, just 10 mins ago my local satellite dealer dropped off another HD receiver. ($208.95 includes $100.00 'free' programming! 
The website has them listed for $99.00). I got it cuz when BiL is here, he does watch the shows you mentioned. But at 85 years old, he can watch whatever he wants! He's worth the money.
CBC isn't!
ziggy @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:55 am
CBC north is pretty good for news from the north,they cover it very well,even though it may not be available on the radio it is on the net.
TattoodGirl @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:55 am
$1:
Maybe you like watching hours and hours of Survivor, So you Think you can Dance, and Idol, but I prefer watching TV that doesn't rot my brain and/or insult my intelligence while I watch. I'm obviously in the minority, but the CBC does a far better job of producing Canadian content than the private networks do.
I agree as well.
Scape @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:15 pm
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
$1:
Maybe you like watching hours and hours of Survivor, So you Think you can Dance, and Idol, but I prefer watching TV that doesn't rot my brain and/or insult my intelligence while I watch. I'm obviously in the minority, but the CBC does a far better job of producing Canadian content than the private networks do.
I agree as well.
Ditto
Brenda @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:22 pm
Scape Scape:
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
$1:
Maybe you like watching hours and hours of Survivor, So you Think you can Dance, and Idol, but I prefer watching TV that doesn't rot my brain and/or insult my intelligence while I watch. I'm obviously in the minority, but the CBC does a far better job of producing Canadian content than the private networks do.
I agree as well.
Ditto
But does that mean they need SO much funding?
Why would a private company broadcast what a public network does? I think the CBC can survive on advertisement, and still be the network they are.
Scape @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:34 pm
Hard to measure that as we are measuring more than just dollars here. If there was better shows run privately in greater numbers then I would think the CBC has become redundant but I don't see that. One of the best shows on CBC radio is As It Happens and I have yet to see anything that even remotely compares to it on the private networks. It's amazing what a simple phone and a radio can do.
Brenda @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:38 pm
Scape Scape:
Hard to measure that as we are measuring more than just dollars here. If there was better shows run privately in greater numbers then I would think the CBC has become redundant but I don't see that. One of the best shows on CBC radio is As It Happens and I have yet to see anything that even remotely compares to it on the private networks. It's amazing what a simple phone and a radio can do.
What makes you think the CBC should change its schedule or programs if it doesn't get government funding anymore?
I think there are lots of businesses that want to advertise on the CBC and thus pay for the shows the CBC wants to broadcast.
sandorski @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:51 pm
Brenda Brenda:
poquas poquas:
The point is a private company WON'T do that like a Private post office wouldn't deliver mail to rural areas where it costs too much.
I have to pick up my mail at the post office
I think a privat company would. There will always be companies who see the money in it and go for it... I live in Rural BC, and I have TV and radio. I even have a working cell! Those are private companies delivering their service to me. The only ones making a mess, are the government ones (water, sewer...)
$1:
Brenda Brenda:
If you want updated news every 15 minutes, go online. Like you go online for updated news, because on TV, you're NOT gonna find it.
There are still huge numbers of people that either can't or won't ever go online either because it costs money for a computer and online access or there is simply no internet available to them.
The radio and TV services don't cost anyone to receive and is available in more places than the internet is. I practiced for awhile in northern Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and I was glad for CBC radio or even a poor TV signal over rabbit ears.
Why do I pay so much for TV-cable signal if it is free? The same cable provides me with internet (well, in my case, my telephone line does, since the cable-provided internet had a lousy connection).
For the people who don't have cable, they probably have a satalite dish, or read the paper.
It wasn't long ago that Telus(BCTel), BCHydro/West Kootenay Power, and all BC Highways maintenance were run as Government Corporations. These days those Corporations are mandated to provide service beyond what they would normally do simply as Private business. Having largely grown up in the Boundary area(West of the Kootenays)I remember a time when CBC TV/Radio were the only Canadian TV/Radio service available with any consistency. "Free Market" considerations have little to do with the current level of service being provided in your area.
That doesn't mean that the "Free Market" can't continue from here. Just a little historical background to things to help understand Canadian attitudes about the subject(s). Privitization of these various Services has been a real mixed bag. Electircal services seemed far less prone to problems back then, although I think that is largely due to the integration with the US Power Grid and also because I now live on the Coast where the Grid is more prone to failure anyway. Highway's maintenance seems to have suffered from the transition, but that varies from place to place and may have more to do with Provincial Government Funding/Focus.
sandorski @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:52 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Scape Scape:
Hard to measure that as we are measuring more than just dollars here. If there was better shows run privately in greater numbers then I would think the CBC has become redundant but I don't see that. One of the best shows on CBC radio is As It Happens and I have yet to see anything that even remotely compares to it on the private networks. It's amazing what a simple phone and a radio can do.
What makes you think the CBC should change its schedule or programs if it doesn't get government funding anymore?
I think there are lots of businesses that want to advertise on the CBC and thus pay for the shows the CBC wants to broadcast.
They already can Advertise.
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