Welfare Drug Test?
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Wally_Sconce @ Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:23 am
so you are saying that you want to drug test them so they can build their self esteem?
Benoit @ Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:30 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
so you are saying that you want to drug test them so they can build their self esteem?
Try again!
Wally_Sconce @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:40 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
so you are saying that you want to drug test them so they can build their self esteem?
Try again!
I just read it again. Several times. And my question still stands.
Benoit @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:52 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
so you are saying that you want to drug test them so they can build their self esteem?
Try again!
I just read it again. Several times. And my question still stands.
I don't want to drug test them.
Ex-Expat @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:57 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
You are clearly out of touch with the reality of drug addiction: studies show that it is a good idea to give clean syringes to drug addicts.
Yes... which is why there are "clean needles" programs for that. And just for the record, I support those too.
With a dollar a person has more choices than with a clean syringe.
Exactly. Which is why I don't advocate the former for a drug user.
Benoit @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:02 pm
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
You are clearly out of touch with the reality of drug addiction: studies show that it is a good idea to give clean syringes to drug addicts.
Yes... which is why there are "clean needles" programs for that. And just for the record, I support those too.
With a dollar a person has more choices than with a clean syringe.
Exactly. Which is why I don't advocate the former for a drug user.
You wrote «It's all about choice.»
Ex-Expat @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:04 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
How do you harmonize the idea of welfare support for the needy, and "do what I tell you or I'll give you nothing"?
It's all about choice. It's a choice to use welfare to pay for your drugs. Every single day you keep doing that, you have made the choice to continue abusing the system. If they start drug testing for welfare recipients, and you continue using anyway, that's a choice too. If you are busted and cut off welfare, and still continue to use instead of seeking a rehab centre or looking for a job, that's yet another choice. There's a difference between dictating a person's life vs. expecting them to not waste public funds on drugs. The latter isn't too much to ask.
It is ludicrous to associate addiction and (rational) choice.
Then even by your own standards, it is also ludicrous to let them fester in that situation and not do something to interrupt the vicious cycle.
Ex-Expat @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:11 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
You are clearly out of touch with the reality of drug addiction: studies show that it is a good idea to give clean syringes to drug addicts.
Yes... which is why there are "clean needles" programs for that. And just for the record, I support those too.
With a dollar a person has more choices than with a clean syringe.
Exactly. Which is why I don't advocate the former for a drug user.
You wrote «It's all about choice.»
It is all about choice. If a person is making bad choices that involve abusing public funds, then their choices should be limited until their problem has been addressed.
Benoit @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:42 pm
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
You are clearly out of touch with the reality of drug addiction: studies show that it is a good idea to give clean syringes to drug addicts.
Yes... which is why there are "clean needles" programs for that. And just for the record, I support those too.
With a dollar a person has more choices than with a clean syringe.
Exactly. Which is why I don't advocate the former for a drug user.
You wrote «It's all about choice.»
It is all about choice. If a person is making bad choices that involve abusing public funds, then their choices should be limited until their problem has been addressed.
So, it is not «all about choice», it is also about limiting choices temporarily: you have a long way to go to reconcile your thoughts.
Wally_Sconce @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:43 pm
One of the coal mining companies in SE british columbia stopped urine testing their workers when there are accidents.
Once the workers learned which legitimate drugs would cause the urine test to fail, many of the workers were staying quiet, and taking the suspension. Then eventually when the lab results came back, the company would have to re-enstate them and pay for their lost wages.
I'm not even certain if they urine test their new employees, Their workforce is facing retirement, and the urine test to stopping them from hiring a lot of the younger workers.
Benoit @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:37 pm
Punishing adults like if they were children wont go anywhere.
Brenda @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:38 pm
Adults acting like children will not get them anywhere either...
Yogi @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:44 pm
[quote="Benoit"]
I don't want to drug test them.
Scenario: YOU are a welfare intake worker.
As such, you are responsible for disbursing assistance $$$ for the people in your caseload. You suspect that ONE such applicant is using illicit drugs to the extent that they are unemployable.You ASK them if in fact they are using drugs. Of course, the answer is an emphatic NO! You don't believe them. You have it within your mandate to handle this situation virtually any way you wish. Do you just hand them the money and say' see you next month'? How would you deal with this person?
Benoit @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:02 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Adults acting like children will not get them anywhere either...
Most baby-boomers have acted like children all their lives and they are now arriving at a very comfortable retirement.
Benoit @ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:04 pm
Yogi Yogi:
Scenario: YOU are a welfare intake worker.
As such, you are responsible for disbursing assistance $$$ for the people in your caseload. You suspect that ONE such applicant is using illicit drugs to the extent that they are unemployable. You ASK them if in fact they are using drugs. Of course, the answer is an emphatic NO! You don't believe them. You have it within your mandate to handle this situation virtually any way you wish. Do you just hand them the money and say' see you next month'? How would you deal with this person?
As such, you are responsible for disbursing assistance $$$ for the people in your caseload. You suspect that ONE such applicant is using illicit drugs to the extent that they are unemployable. You ASK them if in fact they are using drugs. Of course, the answer is an emphatic NO! You don't believe them. You have it within your mandate to handle this situation virtually any way you wish. Do you just hand them the money and say' see you next month'? How would you deal with this person?
I will hand them the money because it’s the most efficient way to gain their trust.
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