Welfare Drug Test?
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Brenda @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:06 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
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Brenda Brenda:
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
Adults acting like children will not get them anywhere either...
Drug-addicted persons don’t act like children too me, they act like old-age people whom never have had the chance to have a childhood.
You never know why people do drugs... Finding excuses is not gonna help them though...
We can learn a lot about the reasons for drug abuse by speaking to and studying addicted people.
Sure, but... Aren't the reasons they give not just excuses? I cannot think of one valid reason to start (I say START) doing drugs. I can think of a lot of excuses to start and to stay on drugs though...
As a reason to start: about growing up in a family that believes in the virtues of drugs?
That is a great excuse...
It's not an excuse, it's a risk factor.
Even a risk factor is no valid reason, is it? That makes it an excuse. You are graspin' (for a while now
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Benoit @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:24 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
Adults acting like children will not get them anywhere either...
Drug-addicted persons don’t act like children too me, they act like old-age people whom never have had the chance to have a childhood.
You never know why people do drugs... Finding excuses is not gonna help them though...
We can learn a lot about the reasons for drug abuse by speaking to and studying addicted people.
Sure, but... Aren't the reasons they give not just excuses? I cannot think of one valid reason to start (I say START) doing drugs. I can think of a lot of excuses to start and to stay on drugs though...
As a reason to start: about growing up in a family that believes in the virtues of drugs?
That is a great excuse...
It's not an excuse, it's a risk factor.
Even a risk factor is no valid reason, is it?
It is.
Brenda @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:03 pm
IT IS???? Boy, you are weird. What you are telling me, is that a risk factor is a reason???
It is a risk factor that I can kill someone with my car if I drive that thing. In your mind that is a reason for me to kill someone with my car, while driving.
Okay. 
Benoit @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:48 pm
Brenda Brenda:
It is a risk factor that I can kill someone with my car if I drive that thing. In your mind that is a reason for me to kill someone with my car, while driving.
Okay.
Okay.
If it was not a reason, killing somebody while driving a car would never be considered an accident and you and/or the car maker would go automatically to prison.
Brenda @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:55 pm
You are twisting my words.
Oh no, wait a second... YOU are twisted...
Benoit @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:58 pm
Brenda Brenda:
You are twisting my words.
Oh no, wait a second... YOU are twisted...
Oh no, wait a second... YOU are twisted...
THIS is an excuse.
Brenda @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:03 pm
No, this is truth
Lemme explain the main REASON to you why I own a car...
It is [drumroll] to transport me, and what ever I choose to carry with me, from A to B. The reason is NOT to kill people. If I wanted to kill people, I would have owned a gun.
See the difference between excuse and reason now?
Benoit @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:13 pm
Brenda Brenda:
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No, this is truth
Lemme explain the main REASON to you why I own a car...
It is [drumroll] to transport me, and what ever I choose to carry with me, from A to B. The reason is NOT to kill people. If I wanted to kill people, I would have owned a gun.
See the difference between excuse and reason now?
No, this is truth
Lemme explain the main REASON to you why I own a car...
It is [drumroll] to transport me, and what ever I choose to carry with me, from A to B. The reason is NOT to kill people. If I wanted to kill people, I would have owned a gun.
See the difference between excuse and reason now?
One reason why humans have parents is that youngsters do not know the dangers of drugs.
Benoit @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:52 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Benoit Benoit:
Brenda Brenda:
Adults acting like children will not get them anywhere either...
Drug-addicted persons don’t act like children too me, they act like old-age people whom never have had the chance to have a childhood.
You never know why people do drugs... Finding excuses is not gonna help them though...
This is the most pitiful EXCUSE for disregarding the people addicted to drugs.
Brenda @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:14 pm
That is the second or third time you quoted that line. You do know exactly why a drug addict is one? From EVERY drugaddict? No, you don't. And you never will.
I don't disregard them with this statement either... I rather have every addict off their addiction. It is not my call though, it is theirs. I said it before, but I will repeat it to you till it gets through that thick skull of yours... Everything you do or don't do in life, is a choice.
It is a choice to start, it is a choice to continue doing drugs, and it is a choice to stop doing it. It might not be easy, whatever choice you make, but it is yours, and you will have to live with the concequenses. If you don't want to live with the consequenses, it is time to make another choice.
Benoit @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:35 am
Brenda Brenda:
That is the second or third time you quoted that line. You do know exactly why a drug addict is one? From EVERY drugaddict? No, you don't. And you never will.
I don't disregard them with this statement either... I rather have every addict off their addiction. It is not my call though, it is theirs. I said it before, but I will repeat it to you till it gets through that thick skull of yours... Everything you do or don't do in life, is a choice.
It is a choice to start, it is a choice to continue doing drugs, and it is a choice to stop doing it. It might not be easy, whatever choice you make, but it is yours, and you will have to live with the concequenses. If you don't want to live with the consequenses, it is time to make another choice.
I don't disregard them with this statement either... I rather have every addict off their addiction. It is not my call though, it is theirs. I said it before, but I will repeat it to you till it gets through that thick skull of yours... Everything you do or don't do in life, is a choice.
It is a choice to start, it is a choice to continue doing drugs, and it is a choice to stop doing it. It might not be easy, whatever choice you make, but it is yours, and you will have to live with the concequenses. If you don't want to live with the consequenses, it is time to make another choice.
Growing up with mommy Brenda who is confusing protestant preaching and warm loving is enough for a child to fall prey of drugs.
Brenda @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:57 am
protestant preaching? Is this ALL you have? Is this your come back?
Ex-Expat @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:18 am
Benoit Benoit:
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Benoit Benoit:
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Benoit Benoit:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Benoit Benoit:
You are clearly out of touch with the reality of drug addiction: studies show that it is a good idea to give clean syringes to drug addicts.
Yes... which is why there are "clean needles" programs for that. And just for the record, I support those too.
With a dollar a person has more choices than with a clean syringe.
Exactly. Which is why I don't advocate the former for a drug user.
You wrote «It's all about choice.»
It is all about choice. If a person is making bad choices that involve abusing public funds, then their choices should be limited until their problem has been addressed.
So, it is not «all about choice», it is also about limiting choices temporarily: you have a long way to go to reconcile your thoughts.
Okay, now you're just being purposely obtuse. Here, I will use little words and speak slowly.
If you can't be trusted to make good choices, you need help until you can.
Ex-Expat @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:28 am
romanP romanP:
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Benoit Benoit:
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Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
How do you harmonize the idea of welfare support for the needy, and "do what I tell you or I'll give you nothing"?
It's all about choice. It's a choice to use welfare to pay for your drugs. Every single day you keep doing that, you have made the choice to continue abusing the system. If they start drug testing for welfare recipients, and you continue using anyway, that's a choice too. If you are busted and cut off welfare, and still continue to use instead of seeking a rehab centre or looking for a job, that's yet another choice. There's a difference between dictating a person's life vs. expecting them to not waste public funds on drugs. The latter isn't too much to ask.
It is ludicrous to associate addiction and (rational) choice.
Then even by your own standards, it is also ludicrous to let them fester in that situation and not do something to interrupt the vicious cycle.
You can't make a choice for another person. Even if you put all of the substance addicts in the world in solitary prison cells, a lot of of them would still try to find some way to get high and succeed.
As I said earlier in this thread, there is no known way to FORCE all drug users to stop using.
But I am for any feasible solution that would make it harder for them to abuse the system. Providing access to food assistance, job training, rehab, or whatever else is needed for their self-sufficiency, is a great way to avoid the opportunities for abuse afforded to them by handing them a cheque.
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