Welfare Drug Test?
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mtbr @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:10 am
romanP romanP:
Those who have been caught doing what? Is this test going to screen for caffeine and nicotine too? How about DM cough remedies?
I think you're stoned again. Illegal narcotics you know the one's that are illegal to posses. I guess thats difficult to comprehend.
So you're stoned right now at work? does anyone ever check your entries?
are they always correct?
are there more errors when you're stoned?
mistakes cost money
Benoit @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:22 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
I find your claims are more drug induced.
You only have found that you can use the word «drug» to cover up your misunderstanding.
Is that what is happening here? You have some sort of misunderstood hatred for people on welfare, so you have to accuse them drugs and organized crime? Why then would you be offended when I accuse you of having a drug induced claim?
How would you react if your privacy would be violated? Try to convince me that you would become a better person?
If you are stopped at a road block, the contents of your car and person are subject to search. You're assumption that the content of a laptop is private, is totally flawed. If its important to keep the contents private, then keep it at home.
A body is a more private place than a home.
If you believe that, why don't you stash your 3 month supply of illegal drugs in your pants instead of under your kitchen sink. and get back to us with the long term results of such a habit.
Pants are not a body part.
2Cdo @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:31 am
Drug tests for Welfare recipients is a step in the right direction.
Benoit @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:37 am
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Drug tests for Welfare recipients is a step in the right direction.
No, drug tests for active people like professional athletes are a step in the right direction.
2Cdo @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:54 am
Benoit Benoit:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Drug tests for Welfare recipients is a step in the right direction.
No, drug tests for active people like professional athletes are a step in the right direction.
Most leagues already do some testing, and those athletes don't get paid by my tax dollars anyway. If I don't want to contribute to outrageous salaries, I don't pay to watch them.
Ex-Expat @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:17 pm
romanP romanP:
Ex-Expat Ex-Expat:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
newfette newfette:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I wouldn't take any job where the work descirption involves supervised peeing in a cup.
cause you'd fail the ensuing test?
Catastrophically!!!!
Seriously, becasue I don't want some guy watching me piss in a cup. And because if you don't believe me when I tell you that I would never even consider showing up to work in any state other than sober, drug-free and ready to go, then I don't want to work for you.
I've worked in IT and/or electrical for many years, and I have peed in a cup for some of the biggest names out there... and landed some great pay as a result, btw.
In the case of a job, it's not about trusting you, personally. Many times it is because companies don't want the additional risks and liabilities inherent with hiring someone who uses. And the thing is, you could say it's their business if they do it on their own time, but the fact of the matter is that many people start out this way and you never know if they'll become addicted and start coming to work stoned/drunk, thus making some mistake that injures or kills a co-worker. I don't blame them one bit, and I don't take it personally. There are some very deceitful and dangerous people out there, and they have no way of knowing I'm not one of them.
Well, here's the funny thing. A lot of people take stimulants on their job, and employers allow it, piss test free. Why? Because they're coffee and cigarettes! Many of these people are addicted to both, and will be unable to work if they don't have their coffee and cigarette!
romanP romanP:
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Drug testing at hiring, and radom testing after is compulsory in many professions.
Some of the masterbaiters here seem to feel themselve superior to truck drivers, who cannot have a beer after work----because they would fail a possible random test next day.
Some of the masterbaiters here seem to feel themselve superior to truck drivers, who cannot have a beer after work----because they would fail a possible random test next day.
Drug testing people who could be a very large danger to the people around them if they're intoxicated on the job is not such a bad idea. Drug testing people who work in an office, or who just have to stand for six hours, should be totally exempt.
$1:
This resistance to drug testing of welfare recipients begs the question----do they have something to hide? If a welfare recipient tests positive, this is likely why they are unemployed/unemployable.
There are quite a lot of people who are employed and use drugs, and are not likely to become unemployed anytime soon. I smoke a joint most days after work, just to cut the edge off having a crappy dead-end job. If they started piss testing, I would leave before they could put a sample jar in my hand.
So the truth comes out. This is not about coffee and cigarettes, it is about knowing you would fail should such testing ever be put into place. It all makes sense now...
Ex-Expat @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:21 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Funny how the right wing--the so-called defenders of freedom--are the first ones to call for whole new bureaucracies of people to watch you pee.
Hey! Call me a "cup advocate" if you wish... but I'll not have you calling me "right wing!"
Ex-Expat @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:47 pm
kenmore kenmore:
point is if you are asking the tax payers to support you will welfare then you shouldnt have a problem being tested...I dont want my tax dollars spent buying crack for someone on welfare..
Agreed. As a former welfare recipient (who used the help to get back on her feet), I have had the displeasure of living next to many of these drug users leeching off the system. This is an abuse of public funds and the good will of the taxpayers. I say let them fund their own damn habit. Instead, save it for people who really do need the help and will use the opportunity wisely. I consider that money well spent.
Illicit drugs are expensive. If you are on welfare and can still afford to use, then you obviously have too damned much money.
ziggy @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:51 pm
mtbr mtbr:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Funny how the right wing--the so-called defenders of freedom--are the first ones to call for whole new bureaucracies of people to watch you pee.
If its my company, my money and my employees safety on the line you will piss or get off the pot.
Thats not controlling it's called managing.
Would you actually watch the stream of urine going from body to cup to make sure it belongs to the person getting tested?
ziggy @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:59 pm
Personally I think if a company wants to piss test you then who ever made that desicion should have to hold the cup. 
Zipperfish @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:07 pm
ziggy ziggy:
Personally I think if a company wants to piss test you then who ever made that desicion should have to hold the cup.
Here here. I'd be like : "Oh, did I get you in the eye? Sorry, my aim isn't that good?"
ziggy @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:20 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
ziggy ziggy:
Personally I think if a company wants to piss test you then who ever made that desicion should have to hold the cup.
Here here. I'd be like : "Oh, did I get you in the eye? Sorry, my aim isn't that good?"
Just walk into the office shakeing and trembling like crazy.
mtbr @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:43 pm
ziggy ziggy:
mtbr mtbr:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Funny how the right wing--the so-called defenders of freedom--are the first ones to call for whole new bureaucracies of people to watch you pee.
If its my company, my money and my employees safety on the line you will piss or get off the pot.
Thats not controlling it's called managing.
Would you actually watch the stream of urine going from body to cup to make sure it belongs to the person getting tested?
no..... there are companies available to do that.
ziggy @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:50 pm
mtbr mtbr:
ziggy ziggy:
mtbr mtbr:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Funny how the right wing--the so-called defenders of freedom--are the first ones to call for whole new bureaucracies of people to watch you pee.
If its my company, my money and my employees safety on the line you will piss or get off the pot.
Thats not controlling it's called managing.
Would you actually watch the stream of urine going from body to cup to make sure it belongs to the person getting tested?
no..... there are companies available to do that.
Yes,it's a booming bussiness. It's also open to all kind of fuck ups.
Ripcat @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:11 pm
Yeah, I'd rather pay over $100,000 a year to lock someone up in prison than give them $10,000 a year in welfare....
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