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George is an eloquent speaker, I’ll give him that. He was often seen with Saddam between the Gulf Wars and he was eventually kicked out of the Labour Party for inciting British troops in Iraq to mutiny.

You guys may have just ‘discovered’ him but he is a well known “Loony Lefty” in the UK.
Good old George is rabid anti-American as well as a cheerleader for militant Islam.

I find it a sad indictment to your own anti-US feelings that anybody would worship this idiot purely because he gave a few US Senators way better shit than they could hand out.

The man is a traitor to his country and a collaborator, and that would appear to make him a good role model for you anti-US types.

Very sad.

   

Naaaaa just their primary supplier.

   

Hey Scape! Good to chat with you again....but, we disagree. I don't think that it follows that a regional conflict will necessary balloon into a global one. As a matter of fact, one way to ensure it doesn't is through neutrality. You argue that the way to contain the struggle is to throw more troops in from other regions; I would argue that that is precisely what would make the conflict global.

These people have been going at it for millenia; the current conflict stems from 1948 and has not really progressed much since then. They are going to have to work it out on their own, and, in my humble opinion, the issue has gotten way to much press already. Where's Canada's interest here?

"No such thing as an atheist in a foxhole..." I like that one!

   

According to him... he met with Saddam twice. Not sure if that qualifies as "often".



So?



What makes you think we've just "discovered" him... many here knew who he was before I posted the interview... which happens to be recent.



So he stands up for right... and doesn't lay down for the crimminal activities of the Bush/Blair government. And your point is?



Well, I thinks it's a sad indictment that you can't seem to find the truth in his message. The fact that he stood up in front of the US Senate and didn't back down to their attempts to smear his name using forged documents is only one of the things he's done that I admire. He is a high level peace activist, and stands up for certain things that most normal people consider "morally" sound. Why or how that is considered "sad" to you is sad in itself.

Think about it.



A traitor? No. A man who doesn't accept the Empire-building Nazi Bush regime, and his partner in crime, Blair - Yes. You can call him a traitor all you want, but he unquestionably loves his country more than the average American who is too ignorant to understand what is really going on around them.

Another example how those that "question" their governments actions are considered "unpatriotic" or to your extreme - "Traitors."

   

Once the war starts then people on the opposing side of the political aisle need to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Because words that oppose the war encourage the enemy and front line soldiers pay with their lives for this kind of treason.

And TREASON it is.

Galloway is an impressive speaker but I'll tell you honestly that his words and the words of others like him are encouraging the enemy to kill more of our troops.

Which leaves many of us in uniform wondering just who our worst enemies are.

   

Are you seriously trying to tell me that because of what AMERICAN and CANADIAN politicans are saying in opposition to the warS, that that is why they are killing more people?

You cant be serious. How can you say something so utterly stupid, so blind. An opposition in government means a balance, it means that governing power does not simply have the power to do as they please. It makes them understand that there are people that they have to answer to and that they cannot do whatever the hell they want.

I cant even beleive you said that. I can safely tell you though, showing opposition to war is NOT treason. And if any stretch of the law it appears as such then democracy is gonna need to find a new fuckin home becuase once our own politicans cannot voice THIER opinion, we turn into the EXACT thing that they claim this war is trying to stop.


You call it treason. Ill call it FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

There are enemies out there, but those who speak in opposition of your position in our government is NOT one of them. So get a grip on reality here and know who your true enemy is.

   

Then why do you think there should be muslims speaking out against other muslims? Given that the position you advocate is very much a conservative one and that on a good day the most liberal of muslims are still very conservative then you should not only fully understand why they don't oppose muslim atrocities but agree with it wholeheartedly.

We have a duty, a patriotic duty to oppose our country if we think it is doing the wrong thing. We condemned germans for not doing that very thing over the atrocties of the nazis. Do you believe it was "treason" for Germans to oppose the march into Poland? Its exactly what hitler said about any German who opposed him.



Its treason to simply stand idlely by while your gov't pursues actions that are countrary to the ideas your country stands for.



A gov't that lies directly to your face and expects you to die for a conflict they themselmes invented.

If you honestly believe that people of good conscience aren't entitled to, let alone obligated to oppose their gov't when they feel it is entirely in the wrong then you might just as well never oppose the gov't because that too can be construed as "treason".

That very reason has been used countless times by religious figures from all religions to convince people that to oppose their will is nothing short of "blasphemy"

   

[font=Andalus]ROLF AT CLAIMING IRAQI WAHHABBI'S[/font]

pure fuktardism. Good work for a post that's as useful as a fart. oh wait ...



Think instead, poor desert nomads (Saudiland, Qatar, Dubai, UEA) who discover God has put oil under their ground which for the Royalty means a lifetime of freeedom and laziness. That's the root of WHaHabbiizm.

   

[?] Rolling on laughing floor?

   

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Imagine being a civilian sitting on your porch on a nice day and being to stupid to understand whats going on in the world or around you and and bullets start chopping up your property and peices of your home strat flying in every direction ... well I assure any of you that only a small percentage of people will know why , when , or what is going on , and that would happen to be the ones doing the shooting . Patriotism is the most sickening reason for any soldier to participate in this action .When someone invades your country it is only wise that you beef up your defenses and kill as many of those soldiers as possible because it should be your citizens who should resolve internal and political issues . Should soldiers defend other citizens from other countries to liberate them and bring them freedom ? Only the citizens of that country will know the necessity, some will see a soldier from elsewhere as an angel sent from heaven while others will see nothing more than invasion . When war means the public is randomly guilty so will be the soldiers who kill them .From the media I would prefer to hear nothing but reasons why Arabs are opposed to allowing Israelis on their land than anything else .Biblical reasons just don't cut it for why Israelis should be there unless it means serious respects regarding oppressions and if there is no room for Israelis they should either be living on reserves , limited to the number of them immigrating (currently called invading) or not there at all but if any country expects to play the game of multiculturalism they also have to respect others on the land . It seems there is very little respect from either side so why the US gets involved is beyond me . Since 1967 it hasn't changed and the world clearly knows the interest is in oil and nothing else . Hopefully but very doubfully in the distant future , we will get to see many american leaders in the same predicamant as Saddam and sitting in some Arab world prison . I don't really mean that but it would likely be justified .

   

Well, there is little reason carrying out a conversation with you on this.

If you think it's ok to incite mutiny in a time of war (all the British Military are volunteers, not pressed men), then you truly have no idea what it is like to serve in combat, nor do you have respect for those who put themselves in harms way in the service of their country.

I have little time for cowards and revolutionaries. I'm sure you'd have a jolly time in some oppressive dicatorship.

Remember the freedom you have is down to those who served to secure it.

We still have to fight to keep it, otherwise some fanatical idiots will try and commit mass murder with passenger aircraft, killing our friends, women and our kids, again.

Just like today in the UK, 911 was an attack on our innocents.

Thank God there are men amongst us who will defend us from these savages.



You really do miss the point.

   

As I'm sure you well know... I can't agree with your logic here.

You are saying that once a war has started, there is no room for debate, or opposition to it?

For the same reason it wouldn't be treason for a soldier fighting for Hezbollah to walk away from his rocket launcher, it isn't treason to appose and question the war in Iraq.... especially since it is public knowledge that the government lied to decieve the people into engaging... believing all along that the government was not misguiding or manipulating the people.

At the end of the day, in a democracy... as free citizens, we are allowed to question our government... which works FOR the people. That is a hallmark of a free nation. I find it interesting how since 911, it has become "unpatriotic" to question the government and it's actions. Since the creation of the War on Terror, the government has effectively turned the US constitution on it's head (Patriot Act) and slowly adopted a new practice of "Guilty until proven innocence", ala Wire-tapping, check-stops, etc, etc. The FBI/homeland "security" call in centers which encourage people to rat on their neighbors, integration of the military and police (in direct violation to the Posse Comitatus Act)... all hallmarks of a civilization in decline. You might want to look into Operation Garden Plot... it's not a CT, and there are plenty of credible sources to investigate this. The psychological component to this is to nurture this type of mentality... to keep the people thinking with a "slave" mentality... never questioning, always trusting. Very dangerous indeed... It's a slippery slope.

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation or state. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law defines treason as: "......citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the (parent nation)." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

Traitor may also mean a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, family, friends, ethnic group, religion, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge.

By definition, GWB and his corrupt administration are traitors to the American people, and should/could be convicted of Treason... if enough of the people cleared away the cobwebs, woke up, and did something about it.

Impeachment at the very least. This November should prove to be interesting. A lot of the CT community strongly feel that by the end of October, there will be another "terror" attack in the US... state-sponsered of course. This will prove to be enough for the public to once again rally behind their "war president"... initiate involvement in the Middle East on a larger scale (ie Iran), and get enough support for the mid-terms... and hence avoid any possible investigations into the Iraq debacle.

This is just predictions though... but from the same individual who predicted 6 weeks before 911 that a large terror attack was pending... more than likely in lower Manhatton, and that Osama would be the likely candidate for the "face" of the attack. Turned out to be true...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... alex+jones

   

And that is where you are mistaken... I knowmany who are currently serving in Afghanistan, and I have nothing but respect for them as I do for your service. I happen to feel though that Mr. Galloway speaks the truth, and if that means that his words inspire those that serve to rethink their reason for engaging in a conflict that was built on a foundation of lies and deception, then IMO, he is not "inciting mutany" as you claim. You on the other hand, are disrespecting those that choose to not participate in a war that isn't morally sound.


Typical response to those that appose this war. This argument fails to cut it though based on the fact that Iraq posed no threat to anyone at the time. The WMD's were created by an administration with the war plans drafted... needing a "push" for the public to sell them on the idea. Can you remember who started this war?


The jury is still out on this one... until the US government can provide real proof that 19 "fanaticals" with boxcutters pulled off this job... then I'm going with the evidence that proves otherwise. And irregardless of whether it was real, or government sponsered - Afghanistan had NOTHING to do with 911... and neither did Iraq.

   

Hey, to anyone out there. Are the cockpits in airliners not locked from the inside so that people cannot walk in and out of the cockpit without the pilots permission?

And if there was a threat outside the door are pilots not supposed to not allow them into the cockpit no matter the reason? And on top of that, if they were threatened would they not inform the head office people about such an event occuring?

I could be wrong here, but thats the way I thought it was. I cant really imagine opening a door to some assholes with box cutters in hand....but I have never been in such a situation.

   

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