George Galloway on Israel and Lebanon

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Yank-in-NY @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:18 pm

Banff Banff:

Imagine being a civilian sitting on your porch on a nice day and being to stupid to understand whats going on in the world or around you

Funny you should say that, Galloway said the same thing.

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“I'm amazed that so many people in Canada believe they're not a part of this crime,” George Galloway said at the sixth annual conference of the Islamic Circle of North America and the Muslim Association of Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... ory/Front/

Banff @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:21 pm

Obviously I am a victim of the subliminal message because I know he said that but didn't recall this when I said it . anyway Treason only works inside of ones own backyard otherwise it carries to many doubts so no longer can be treason , unpatriotic , or unloyal . for those who don't know " good reason or bad reason invasion equals 9/11 . All the blame cannot be left in the lap of the hijackers it has to equally go to american decision makers . Do americans actually believe people get up one morning brush their teeth have breakfast and decide to go hijack some planes and go ram them into buildings because their bored and need some excitement for the day ?

Wullu @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:26 pm

Banff Banff:

Obviously I am a victim of the subliminal message because I know he said that but didn't recall this when I said it .

anyway Treason only works inside of ones own backyard otherwise it carries to many doubts so no longer can be treason , unpatriotic , or unloyal . for those who don't know " good reason or bad reason invasion equals 9/11 . All the blame cannot be left in the lap of the hijackers it has to equally go to american decision makers . Do americans actually believe people get up one morning brush their teeth have breakfast and decide to go hijack some planes and go ram them into buildings because their bored and need some excitement for the day ?

Oh joy, yet another terror apologist. Name me one thing the US did to Islam that warrents 9/11. One.

PluggyRug @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:33 pm

Wullu Wullu:

Banff Banff:

Obviously I am a victim of the subliminal message because I know he said that but didn't recall this when I said it .

Oh joy, yet another terror apologist. Name me one thing the US did to Islam that warrents 9/11. One.

And me please....... :!:

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Do americans actually believe people get up one morning brush their teeth have breakfast and decide to go hijack some planes and go ram them into buildings because their bored and need some excitement for the day ?

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No of course not, but then again the average Americans is not an islamofascist.

Hayzeus man you need to stay out of MacDonalds.

Scape @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:50 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey Scape! Good to chat with you again....but, we disagree. I don't think that it follows that a regional conflict will necessary balloon into a global one.

Ignoring it has only encouraged further bloodshed. It is hard not to criticize Israel who has received 22 United Nations resolutions denouncing its military aggression, illegal invasion and other rogue state behavior such as:

- Illegally occupying Arab lands from 1948 onwards. While the Arabs did not occupy land designated for Israel in 1948, the Jews moved in to occupy both Arab and Jewish lands through pre-emptive military strikes. At that time, the Jews form only 16% of the total population in the region of Arab Palestine and owned just 8% of the lands. The Jews ended up occupying 70% of Palestine and went on to occupy Gaza Strip and West Bank in 1967 and Southern Lebanon from 1982-2000.

- Destroying thousands of Arabs homes and hundreds of Arab settlements through rocket attacks, shelling, bulldozing to create the worst refugee crisis in the Middle East. More than 8 million Arabs live in refugee camps due to Israeli’s military aggression and occupation in Palestine, Gaza Strip, West Bank and Lebanon.

- Pioneering and perpetuating the use of terrorism in the Middle East. The Jews in Israel were the first to use terrorist tactics to target innocent civilians to achieve military objectives such as their bombing of the King David Hotel in the 1940s which killed 92, an event the Jews in Israel are still commemorating.

- Illegally developing a successful nuclear WMD programme. At last count, Israel, a recognised military aggressor in the Middle East, has 200 atomic bombs.

Neutrality will only encourage more, not less of this behavior.

Yank-in-NY @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:52 pm

Banff Banff:

No, we believe it took alot longer than one morning to plan, finance and execute. But it appears you are convinced of it.

Let me guess. It's all Bush's fault.

PMS (Bush's fault)
flat tires (Bush's fault)
stale bread (Bush's fault)
wobbly shopping cart wheels (Bush's fault)
swear words (Bush's fault)
why chickens cant fly (Bush's fault)
AOL (Bush's fault)
Martha Steward (Bush's fault)
fast drivers (Bush's fault)
the pet rock (Bush's fault)
cavities (Bush's fault)
dial-up speeds (Bush's fault)
potholes (Bush's fault)
windows ME (Bush's fault)
flees (Bush's fault)
sqeeky shoes (Bush's fault)
hiccups (Bush's fault)
spam (Bush's fault)
blond jokes (Bush's fault)
dead batteries (Bush's fault)

Zipperfish @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:02 pm

Scape Scape:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey Scape! Good to chat with you again....but, we disagree. I don't think that it follows that a regional conflict will necessary balloon into a global one.

I don't partiucalrly like Israel because I gather that they issue Canadian passports to their assassins. With frineds like that...

Still, you can't expect Israel to tolerate rockets launched at their citizens (or military, for that matter) when they are in a position to do something about it.

On the other hand, the Arabs are faced with an overwhelming military opponnent and yet still get up just to get knocked down again. That's just stupid.

This current conflict is just a repeat of the last Lebanon invasion. And the band played on.

Both sides are attempting to draw the rest of the world into their conflict, but I just don't see Canada's interest, other than looking after our citizens there.

GunPlumber @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:59 pm

hamiltonguyo hamiltonguyo:

hmmm yes they believe they hold an historical claim but yet when you look at the history of zionism the first zionists were content to live among muslims and then when the muslims started killing them they wanted state based on where they re-settled in modern times.

very few say we can hold the land simply because we lived here less than 2000 years ago, they might say that is why they desire to live there and hold the land. If the majority of zionists believed that they owned the entire land compromises would not have been accepted in 1937 or 1948. based on areas with jewish majorities.

The arab reasoning for rejecting these compromises was just as absurd as the historical claim. We don't accept the partition because the areas used to have an arab majority.

And i know people will mention the settlements and such after 1967. I reality these settlements were driven by security in one part, a small clique of ministers who hardly had to worry about loosing elections and small groups of extremists.

And then the UN masde the Zionism is racism statement and attempted to expel israel. Logically ( to them at least) they saw this as being cut off from the rest of the world and simply believed peace would not come and that they would occupy the terroritories permantly.

And to gun plumber. are you part of the Black Hebrew movement that considers Jews evil and imposters?

sure sounds like it mister

Jews stole everyone else's history.

I bet they secretly control every non-arab government too.

oh and the oil companies as well

lets not forget about how they control the church and every wall mart

OK, DumDum, notwitstanding your predilection for subjecting yourself to public spankings, I'm going to be a nice guy. I'll let you go back and proofread your post (you do understand the concept of proofreading, don't you?) and correct any statements that lack in factual accuracy or suffer due to your lack of comprehension.

Failing that,...

PREPARE TO BE BITCHSLAPPED BACK TO THE PROTOZOIC SLIME FROM WHICH YOU'VE EMERGED!

Scape @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:09 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

This current conflict is just a repeat of the last Lebanon invasion. And the band played on.

Both sides are attempting to draw the rest of the world into their conflict, but I just don't see Canada's interest, other than looking after our citizens there.

Not a repeat, it never ended and the world is already up to their eyeballs in it. Can you imagine if Pakistan pulled off a stunt like this? How soon before nukes flew? In short order I assure you. It's one thing to defend yourself and a whole other thing to stir up the hornets nest.

The people of Israel and the IDF are not overreacting but how do we define the difference between rouge and measured? Olmert and Hezbollah are richly deserving of criticism at this point. Olmert because his belligerence has been to the point where the Lebanese army is ready to defend their country against Israel and Hezbollah because they could have released two hostages at any stage but clearly would rather fight than spare their own people. Clearly two wrongs do not make a right but if this gets even more wrong and we get Syria, Egypt, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia all piling on then it will be like a political black hole that Canada will be powerless to resist as we will all be sucked it just like we were in WWI and WWII.

EyeBrock @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:22 pm

Calgary123 Calgary123:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

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Eyebrock

He was eventually kicked out of the Labour Party for inciting British troops in Iraq to mutiny.

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Calgary wrote:

So?

Well, there is little reason carrying out a conversation with you on this.

If you think it's ok to incite mutiny in a time of war (all the British Military are volunteers, not pressed men), then you truly have no idea what it is like to serve in combat, nor do you have respect for those who put themselves in harms way in the service of their country.

I have little time for cowards and revolutionaries. I'm sure you'd have a jolly time in some oppressive dicatorship.

Remember the freedom you have is down to those who served to secure it.

We still have to fight to keep it, otherwise some fanatical idiots will try and commit mass murder with passenger aircraft, killing our friends, women and our kids, again.

Just like today in the UK, 911 was an attack on our innocents.

Thank God there are men amongst us who will defend us from these savages.

You really do miss the point.

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If you think it's ok to incite mutiny in a time of war (all the British Military are volunteers, not pressed men), then you truly have no idea what it is like to serve in combat, nor do you have respect for those who put themselves in harms way in the service of their country.

And that is where you are mistaken... I knowmany who are currently serving in Afghanistan, and I have nothing but respect for them as I do for your service. I happen to feel though that Mr. Galloway speaks the truth, and if that means that his words inspire those that serve to rethink their reason for engaging in a conflict that was built on a foundation of lies and deception, then IMO, he is not "inciting mutany" as you claim. You on the other hand, are disrespecting those that choose to not participate in a war that isn't morally sound.

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Remember the freedom you have is down to those who served to secure it.

Typical response to those that appose this war. This argument fails to cut it though based on the fact that Iraq posed no threat to anyone at the time. The WMD's were created by an administration with the war plans drafted... needing a "push" for the public to sell them on the idea. Can you remember who started this war?

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We still have to fight to keep it, otherwise some fanatical idiots will try and commit mass murder with passenger aircraft, killing our friends, women and our kids, again.

The jury is still out on this one... until the US government can provide real proof that 19 "fanaticals" with boxcutters pulled off this job... then I'm going with the evidence that proves otherwise. And irregardless of whether it was real, or government sponsered - Afghanistan had NOTHING to do with 911... and neither did Iraq.

You really are pathetic.

The aircraft downed on Sep 11th 2001 were downed by Islamic militants who's ID is well known. Who did you think did it ? Mossad?

I bet your mates serving in Afghanistan are well proud of you.

Don't bother trying to justify your incredible stance, you are not worth the effort.

On a day when the UK stopped 10 aircraft from being blown up across the Pond, I won't entertain your drivel.

GunPlumber @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:25 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

Another example how those that "question" their governments actions are considered "unpatriotic" or to your extreme - "Traitors." :roll:

Once the war starts then people on the opposing side of the political aisle need to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Because words that oppose the war encourage the enemy and front line soldiers pay with their lives for this kind of treason.

And TREASON it is.

Galloway is an impressive speaker but I'll tell you honestly that his words and the words of others like him are encouraging the enemy to kill more of our troops.

Which leaves many of us in uniform wondering just who our worst enemies are.

Bart,

You've said some things in the past that are interesting, and some that are intelligent. Your posts in this thread (so far) fail to qualify in either category. This post in particular reeks of regurgitated pablum.

If I may be so bold, I'd like to quote a couple of famous men (whom you may of heard of), who would take issue with your notions of patriotism:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

Theodore Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star, 149, May 7, 1918

"It is the quality of patriotism to be jealous and watchful, to observe all secret machinations, and to see publick dangers at a distance. The true lover of his country is ready to communicate his fears, and to sound the alarm, whenever he perceives the approach of mischief. But he sounds no alarm, when there is no enemy; he never terrifies his countrymen till he is terrified himself. The patriotism, therefore, may be justly doubted of him, who professes to be disturbed by incredibilities..."

Samuel Johnson: The Patriot

"[False] Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

Attributed to Samuel Johnson by his friend and biographer, James Boswell

GunPlumber @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:29 pm

Just out of curiousity,... what do the crossed swords in the upper-lefthand corner of my last post signify?

Toro @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:37 pm

Its funny when the Foilers refuse to believe that Osama had anything to do with 9/11 when he has actually admitted to it, and they DEMAND proof that the 19 on the planes actually were responsible for the tragedy, yet they're willing to believe any outrageous, ridiculous theory based on conjecture, theory, and barely circumstantial evidence, all the while clinging this "contolled demolition" explanation that one guy with a knowledge of science is pushing while virtually the entire scientific community won't even respond to - just like the don't respond to the Flat Earth Society - because its so asinine.

Well done, Foilers.

hwacker @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:40 pm

Just out of curiousity,... what finger am i holding up ?

GunPlumber @ Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:11 pm

hwacker hwacker:

Just out of curiousity,... what finger am i holding up ?

I can't tell.

Your head is so far up your ass that nothing above your waist is visible. ROTFL

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