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Tman1 @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:23 pm
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
You mean it wouldn't be the same. The Barbarians came together first to try to become a new Rome, they failed, but who's to say that Christianity held them together? We don't know, and unless you've got a time machine on hand, we never will.
By the late fourth century, Rome was practically in the hands of Barbarians as it was. Barbarians filling in the ranks of the depleted Roman legions, in high offices.
The Hoser @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:24 pm
Constantinople Constantinople:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
You mean it wouldn't be the same. The Barbarians came together first to try to become a new Rome, they failed, but who's to say that Christianity held them together? We don't know, and unless you've got a time machine on hand, we never will.
Yup. No such thing as history anymore- glad you pointed that out.
Dude, your missing the point. History is "X attacked Y and X was victorious" or somthing like that, saying "Without Christianity, nothing would have united the Barbarians" is just a big "what if" question, anything could have happened to unite the tribes and Christianity came first. Who's to say that if Christianity failed somthing else would have succeeded?
Constantinople @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:29 pm
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Constantinople Constantinople:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
You mean it wouldn't be the same. The Barbarians came together first to try to become a new Rome, they failed, but who's to say that Christianity held them together? We don't know, and unless you've got a time machine on hand, we never will.
Yup. No such thing as history anymore- glad you pointed that out.
Dude, your missing the point. History is "X attacked Y and X was victorious" or somthing like that, saying "Without Christianity, nothing would have united the Barbarians" is just a big "what if" question, anything could have happened to unite the tribes and Christianity came first. Who's to say that if Christianity failed somthing else would have succeeded?
Actually I am saying that Christianity did unite them- as are a lot of other people.
And well guess what, what did happen is what happened- so like it or not, if history had been any different, the present would have been different- if only slightly altered.
Any slight alterations in the past and today would never be like it turned out.
So without Christianity, whether you like it or not, we wouldn't be here. Can't change the past.
ShepherdsDog @ Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:28 am
Actually the loss of Rome and Roman law was a good thing in the sense in that the laws of the Germanic tribes were allowed to develop. It was from the Anglo-Saxons that jurisprudence came about and the idea of innocent until proven guilty. The tribes were somewhat more democratic in their decision processes than Rome was and this helped to foster the idea of the supremacy of the individual.
smk @ Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:45 am
the old saying, he who wins gets to write the history...( ? Christianity adopted many of the pagan practices ....when it was determined they could not totally defeat the old ways--Mary was placed as the central figure in the Catholic Church--thus appeasing the Goddess worshippers etc.... my memory is a bit cloudy but the Cathars which came later..were pretty advanced as well ..before the rule of the religious sword put an end to that. I won't get into the betrayal of the Templars..( I see one of you displays the shield) by their own, or the many wealthy widows of men who died in the Crusades--deemed a witch served many useful purposes for corrupt church at the time-- -....all for the sake taking their money and land....time to go...have at it...love to explain this better than the bits and pieces here........but I have to leave
Zipperfish @ Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:02 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Actually the loss of Rome and Roman law was a good thing in the sense in that the laws of the Germanic tribes were allowed to develop. It was from the Anglo-Saxons that jurisprudence came about and the idea of innocent until proven guilty. The tribes were somewhat more democratic in their decision processes than Rome was and this helped to foster the idea of the supremacy of the individual.
No, the presumption of innocence goes back to Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, and even to biblical times. Actually few civilizations had an explicit presumption of guilt. Even the infamous "duck test" for witches during the Inquisition was practiced under the presumption of innocence. The problem with leagl systems that do not respect human rights is not that they presume guilt legally, but they do so administratively (by torture or what have you).
CubanTexan @ Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:52 am
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
gideon gideon:
Why should you respect or tolerate an ideology that encourages its followers to destroy your culture, your institutions, and everything you've worked for in life?
That would be Christianity my pretentious friend.
You know very little of Christian history, if you did you would not make such an assinine and ignorant remark. Your Christian bigotry is showing.
CubanTexan @ Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:54 am
smk smk:
the old saying, he who wins gets to write the history...( ? Christianity adopted many of the pagan practices ....when it was determined they could not totally defeat the old ways--Mary was placed as the central figure in the Catholic Church--thus appeasing the Goddess worshippers etc.... my memory is a bit cloudy but the Cathars which came later..were pretty advanced as well ..before the rule of the religious sword put an end to that. I won't get into the betrayal of the Templars..( I see one of you displays the shield) by their own, or the many wealthy widows of men who died in the Crusades--deemed a witch served many useful purposes for corrupt church at the time-- -....all for the sake taking their money and land....time to go...have at it...love to explain this better than the bits and pieces here........but I have to leave
Mary did not recieve her status(immaculate mother of God) until 1857. When the farce of a pope ,Pope Pious (?), declared it so. What a joke.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:02 pm
Guess who I'm nominating for the NecroPoster medal???
CubanTexan @ Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:59 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Guess who I'm nominating for the NecroPoster medal???
Didn't look at the dates.
Schleihauf @ Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:59 pm
If there wasnt Christianity we'd still be here. We'd just have a different life like different religion, idealoligy, who colonized north america, it could be anything. So what are you saying without Christianity there would,nt be boats?
SgtMills @ Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:27 pm
Why do we have to be Christian or even religous for that matter? 
I dont worship any God or higher force, although I do believe in the main concept. You know --dont kill be good and all that.
Many people dont know much about their religion but use the religion's name as an excuse to blame all of lifes mishaps on some one else who was supposed to be there(This person would be god or somebody) Religion is just a phsycological thing that some people need to reasure them selves that they have a purpose and a reason not to just end their pitiful existance (not all lives are pitiful, just most )
It just seems like some people need something to blame their failures on, its like this guy cant admitt he killed a person by mistake so he says "GOD HAS A PLAN FOR EVERYONE"--?!? what ?what kind of thing is that to say.
Just own up to your life and take it in your hands.
DerbyX @ Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:29 pm
SgtMills SgtMills:
Why do we have to be Christian or even religous for that matter? I dont worship any God or higher force, although I do believe in the main concept. You know --dont kill be good and all that.
Many people dont know much about their religion but use the religion's name as an excuse to blame all of lifes mishaps on some one else who was supposed to be there(This person would be god or somebody) Religion is just a phsycological thing that some people need to reasure them selves that they have a purpose and a reason not to just end their pitiful existance (not all lives are pitiful, just most )
It just seems like some people need something to blame their failures on, its like this guy cant admitt he killed a person by mistake so he says "GOD HAS A PLAN FOR EVERYONE"--?!? what ?what kind of thing is that to say.
Just own up to your life and take it in your hands.
I dont worship any God or higher force, although I do believe in the main concept. You know --dont kill be good and all that. Many people dont know much about their religion but use the religion's name as an excuse to blame all of lifes mishaps on some one else who was supposed to be there(This person would be god or somebody) Religion is just a phsycological thing that some people need to reasure them selves that they have a purpose and a reason not to just end their pitiful existance (not all lives are pitiful, just most
)It just seems like some people need something to blame their failures on, its like this guy cant admitt he killed a person by mistake so he says "GOD HAS A PLAN FOR EVERYONE"--?!? what
?what kind of thing is that to say.Just own up to your life and take it in your hands.
Welcome to the forum brother.
BartSimpson @ Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:31 pm
SgtMills SgtMills:
Just own up to your life and take it in your hands.
Which is what God diabolically planned for you to do!
Welcome to the site, by the way. I see you've met Derby.
The Hoser @ Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:33 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
SgtMills SgtMills:
Just own up to your life and take it in your hands.
Which is what God diabolically planned for you to do!
Bloody convient answer, ain't it?
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