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gideon @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:50 pm

For all the liberals who think that appeasing the terrorists and hiding under the bed will make them go away, I ask: did you vote for Carter as well?

Former President Jimmy Carter makes a great argument for closing down Gitmo-it would restore America's tarnished reputation before the court of world opinion; it would reaffirm America's commitment to due process and international law; it would reduce the number of terrorists by eliminating Gitmo as a major recruiting poster for Hamas and al-Qaeda crazies; and it would make Jimmy Carter feel good about himself and if the peanut farmer from Plaines feels good about himself the same is sure to be true of Casper Milktoast, Harry Tremblechin, Code Pink, John Conyers, Jerold Nadler, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), half the faculty at Swaledale Junior College, three-quarters of that at Dogpatch University, and just about everybody at Berkeley, Cambridge, Ann Arbor, Chapel Hill and points left of Nancy Pelosi.

But there are a few doubters. Not everyone has embraced the Carter panacea. For one thing, it's devoid of common sense, and to put it bluntly, it's cowardly. Even someone as weak-kneed as James Buchanan would have been leery of Carter's one-size-fits-all solution to the problem of the age. Remember Buchanan? He was President in the 1850s during the run-up to the American Civil War. He said the South couldn't secede from the Union because it wasn't legal but if they did there wasn't anything he could do about it, there was nothing in the Constitution to provide for such an eventuality; therefore, his hands were tied; sort of like Jimmy Carter's approach to Gitmo, Iran, North Korea, and attack rabbits.

And that's the problem. Jimmy Carter is not Andrew Jackson or Abe Lincoln; he's the exact opposite. Save for Buchanan, Carter was the weakest man ever to hold the Presidency. Even Woodrow Wilson, the super-intellectual who said there was such a thing as being to proud to fight, sent Doughboys to France to take the lead out of the Kaiser's lederhosen.

Would closing Gitmo result in any of the blessings suggested by Carter? Would millions of Muslims suddenly decide that, maybe, after all, the Americans aren't so bad? Would Hamas and al-Qaeda close their recruiting offices? Hardly.

A short history lesson is in order. Did membership in the Nazi Party decline after Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles in 1936 by marching into the Rhineland? No, it did not; in fact, it skyrocketed. The march was perceived as a great German victory. The same sorry spectacle was repeated in 1938 with the Anschluss and later that same year with the march into the Sudetenland. Everybody wanted to be a Nazi. Victory made the swastika popular.

Jefferson Davis's last gasp recruiting drive in April of 1865 was a ghastly failure. The reason: Robert E. Lee and what was left of the Army of Northern Virginia was on its way to Appomattox Court House. The Butternuts were deserting the cause, not joining. How different from the balmy days immediately after Fort Sumter and Second Bull Run when even Rhett Butler was considering donning the Grey.

Whenever a fort was vacated on the Western Frontier Phil Sheridan and George Armstrong Custer would draw three days rations and thirty rounds of ammunition. They had good reason for that. Once the gates were closed and the last soldier was withdrawn many previously peaceful Indians would leave the reservations to join the hostiles on the warpath. Vacating a fort was taken as a sign of weakness.

Somewhere in the miasmatic haze that passes for Jimmy Carter's historical frame of reference lies the wreckage of this lesson. Maybe it was the helicopter crash in the desert. A pullout from Gitmo would be seen in the Muslim world as a defeat for America. Ward Churchill, Noam Chomsky, Code Pink, and the parasitic left would be elated. Jimmy Carter, John Conyers, Patrick Leahy and the Nadlers and the Boxers fail to grasp this simple fact. Unfortunately, the destruction of George W. Bush and the Bush administration is first on their list of priorities. The war on terrorism can take care of itself-after all, it a matter for the police, for Interpol, and a newer kindler, gentler generation of James Bonds. This is reprehensible.

So the man who went on bended knee and with hat in hand to North Korea to make the usual spineless obeisance to Kim the Ruthless; the man who repeatedly kissed Yasser Arafat on the cheek in the Middle East political cloakroom; the man who never met a left-wing dictator he couldn't compliment on something or other, says Gitmo has tarnished America's reputation. A man who is far better at pounding nails into 2X4s than in conducting American foreign policy says Gitmo should be abandoned. Obviously the terrorists will lay down their arms and go home.

And it's not only Carter. The Democratic Party has been drifting into anti-Americanism since the 1960s; since Vietnam; since Fonda, Hayden, and the Chicago Seven and the journey is now nearly complete. Cultural diversity has taught them to hate America and to love America's enemies. Castro, si, Imperialism, no! Anti-Semitism, once the preserve of the far right, is now entrenched in the parasitic left. Marxist college professors have indoctrinated a generation of college students into the joys of self-hatred-hate Whitey, hate Uncle Sam, hate Western Civ, hate John Wayne; they stand in the way of the socialist millennia. They have turned altogether too many minority students into racists, bigots, Nazis, and anti-Semites. The Democratic Party has done nothing to stop this descent into atavistic Bolshevism, indeed, they have knowingly helped it along; they are complicit in the destruction of the United States.

And now Carter and his parrots insist that closing Gitmo will strike a blow against terrorism by removing one of the reasons terrorists become terrorists. Would Charlie Brown intentionally walk Peppermint Patty with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth with the winning run on third base so she couldn't get an embarrassing game-winning hit? Maybe. Charlie was a little strange. Jimmy Carter is stranger.

Winners gain recruits, Jimmy, not losers. But then, Jimmy has always been a loser.

http://www.iconoclast.ca/MainPage.asp?p ... Page18.asp

   



ShepherdsDog @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:26 pm

I wasn't aware that they did :D

   



FuBaR @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:38 pm

Well theres this little saying that goes practice what you preach. America wants to be the role model of the world, they want everyone to follow them, ey, they allow illegal places like Gitmo to go on. They go and fight countries, without declaring war, so that they can ship their prisoners to Gitmo without any interference from the Red Cross. It should be closed immediatley, not from a political stand point, but a human rights stand point. Anyone that believes what is going on there is acceptable is either retarded or has already been brain washed by the media.

   



gideon @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:55 pm

GA-FuBaR GA-FuBaR:
America wants to be the role model of the world, they want everyone to follow them, ey, they allow illegal places like Gitmo to go on.


There is nothing illegal about gitmo.

America is #1 because she unflinchingly takes on brutal, soulless enemies like communist russia and al qaeda. Our ability and our willingness to solve the world's toughest problems is what makes us the leader; it's the very reason why, in the end, we will win and cowards like the french will lose.

We have several hundred known terrorists in custody at gitmo. We have led the world in rounding these scumbags up, and there is no good reason to even consider releasing them. No other country even comes close, and that is why we ARE "the role model of the world" in the global war on terror.

   



canadian1971 @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:23 pm

Shouldn't this be in Jokes & Humour?

   



ShepherdsDog @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:27 pm

ROTFL

   



The Hoser @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:31 pm

Hahahahahah...

How come every time somone posts this garbage they always say "This is how all Liberals feel about X issue." It really pisses me off, after the 99th time. Ya know, I'll bet that some Liberal/Left-Wingers disagree with this entirly, and I'll bet that some Republican/Right-Wingers believe this is entirly true. Say "This is how President Carter thinks." or somthing that like that.

   



gideon @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:50 pm

The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Hahahahahah...

How come every time somone posts this garbage they always say "This is how all Liberals feel about X issue." It really pisses me off, after the 99th time. Ya know, I'll bet that some Liberal/Left-Wingers disagree with this entirly, and I'll bet that some Republican/Right-Wingers believe this is entirly true. Say "This is how President Carter thinks." or somthing that like that.


Since you are only 13 I will give you a free pass here, young grasshopper...

The truth of the matter is, the vast majority of liberals agree with Jimmy Carter, Noam Chomsky, Howard Dean, and their flawed way of thinking. I know; I live in a blue state and have many liberal friends. Maybe a FEW liberals try to distance themselves from these viewpoints, but by and large, they are anti-gitmo, anti-bush, anti-america, pro-islam, pro-saddam, pro-welfare-state, anti-free-markets and anti-christian. Do their viewpoints make any sense? Not in the least, but they DO make for interesting conversations :D

   



canadian1971 @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:02 pm

Hmmmmmm....Maybe Random Insanity

   



The Hoser @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:03 pm

gideon gideon:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Hahahahahah...

How come every time somone posts this garbage they always say "This is how all Liberals feel about X issue." It really pisses me off, after the 99th time. Ya know, I'll bet that some Liberal/Left-Wingers disagree with this entirly, and I'll bet that some Republican/Right-Wingers believe this is entirly true. Say "This is how President Carter thinks." or somthing that like that.


Since you are only 13 I will give you a free pass here, young grasshopper...

The truth of the matter is, the vast majority of liberals agree with Jimmy Carter, Noam Chomsky, Howard Dean, and their flawed way of thinking. I know; I live in a blue state and have many liberal friends. Maybe a FEW liberals try to distance themselves from these viewpoints, but by and large, they are anti-gitmo, anti-bush, anti-america, pro-islam, pro-saddam, pro-welfare-state, anti-free-markets and anti-christian. Do their viewpoints make any sense? Not in the least, but they DO make for interesting conversations :D


Pro-Islam, well that's just being ignorant. Why would somone hate a religion? Pro-Saddam, I don't think ANYONE likes Saddam right now. Anti-Christian is being Ignorant again. Anti-Bush, just like 50% of all Republicans right now... Anti-American, just like a large part of the world right now, Anti-Gitmo, basically your saying their pro-Human Rights?

Don't try to impune me on my age.

   



gideon @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:08 pm

The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Pro-Islam, well that's just being ignorant. Why would somone hate a religion? Pro-Saddam, I don't think ANYONE likes Saddam right now. Anti-Christian is being Ignorant again. Anti-Bush, just like 50% of all Republicans right now... Anti-American, just like a large part of the world right now, Anti-Gitmo, basically your saying their pro-Human Rights?


Why should you respect or tolerate an ideology that encourages its followers to destroy your culture, your institutions, and everything you've worked for in life?

Are you pro-communist too? Pro-Latin Kings?

If you like seeing dead americans, fine, then grow a pair and say so.

$1:
Don't try to impune me on my age.


Don't try to use grown-up words that you can't spell, kiddo :D

   



canadian1971 @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:31 pm

$1:
Why should you respect or tolerate

Someone who, based on anothers age dismisses what he/she thinks/says and tries to belittle them by saying shit like
$1:
Don't try to use grown-up words that you can't spell, kiddo

or
$1:
Since you are only 13 I will give you a free pass here, young grasshopper...

Good way to get others to see a point! PDT_Armataz_01_37
and wtf is this shit....
$1:
If you like seeing dead americans, fine, then grow a pair and say so.

DC has shown more maturity than you...which I find funny as hell since you're the one who brought age into this.

   



The Hoser @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:39 pm

gideon gideon:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Pro-Islam, well that's just being ignorant. Why would somone hate a religion? Pro-Saddam, I don't think ANYONE likes Saddam right now. Anti-Christian is being Ignorant again. Anti-Bush, just like 50% of all Republicans right now... Anti-American, just like a large part of the world right now, Anti-Gitmo, basically your saying their pro-Human Rights?


Why should you respect or tolerate an ideology that encourages its followers to destroy your culture, your institutions, and everything you've worked for in life?

Are you pro-communist too? Pro-Latin Kings?

If you like seeing dead americans, fine, then grow a pair and say so.

$1:
Don't try to impune me on my age.


Don't try to use grown-up words that you can't spell, kiddo :D


Oh, bye the bye here, don't go and generalize Communists either. I am pro-Communist, the ideals not the real thing, I'm just anti-Soviet.

I never once said I liked seeing dead Americans. All I said is that all of Islam cannot be blamed for the actions of one group of religious exteremists.

Oh, and thanks for the backup 1971.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:19 am

Communism...hm. You seem like an extremely bright young man, but, live a little first and then see how pro Communist you remain. The system is an abject failure as is its watered down version, socialism. Sweden annd New Zealand being prime examples of the latter and China and Eastern Europe (Russia inclusive) of the former. Any system that relies solely on the altruistic nature of Man is foolhardy. WIIFM (What's In It For Me), is the prime motivational factor in human society

   



The Hoser @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:23 am

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Communism...hm. You seem like an extremely bright young man, but, live a little first and then see how pro Communist you remain. The system is an abject failure as is its watered down version, socialism. Sweden annd New Zealand being prime examples of the latter and China and Eastern Europe (Russia inclusive) of the former. Any system that relies solely on the altruistic nature of Man is foolhardy. WIIFM (What's In It For Me), is the prime motivational factor in human society


I said I'm pro-Communism, not what Communism has turned into. Communism is a system were, if it works, everybody wins. The problem is is that greed overturns basic judgment and Communism spirals down. What happened in Russia and China and the aformentioned locations was not, in fact, Communism, but was what I like to refer to as Sovietism, although I'm sure there is some technical name for it. I'm pro-Communism, everybody can dream.

Oh, and thanks for the "extremly bright young man" part :D

   



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