In Congo, 1,000 die per day: Why isn't it a media story?
The Hoser @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:34 pm
Your right, the world shouldn't care. But we, as members of Western Cvilization, should. It wasn't China who enslaved thousands upon thousand of Africa's working force for their own use. It was our ancestors, Brits and Americans and Canadians, and hell probably French and Germans too. We, as members of the Western Civilization, have an obligation to help those who our anscestors wronged. Lemme guess, your againts black reperations too?
The Hoser @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:41 pm
gideon gideon:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
The only problem is... It isn't their own fault. Africa was extorted to the bone by British and Americans for slaves and diamons etc,
Extorted in what way? The slave trade, diamond trade, etc. were business arrangements to which representatives of both sides mutually agreed.
Would africa have been better off with NO source of income from the west? I find your argument utterly unconvincing.
One, rather important, thing that you froget is that the people who were doing the trading on the African side were put in power by the British colonists, they were in no way reprisenting the African people. Most were British anyway!
Scape @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:08 am
gideon gideon:
If you live like an animal you deserve to be called an animal. Nationality and race are irrelevant.
Import from another thread:
gideon gideon:
Terrorists get NO rights if they are not US citizens, period.
The prisoners at gitmo should be happy they're getting fresh air and three square meals a day. If it were up to me, I'd bury them under 40k tons of WTC rubble and let them starve, suffocate, or bleed to death - as so many of their victims did.
The prisoners at gitmo should be happy they're getting fresh air and three square meals a day. If it were up to me, I'd bury them under 40k tons of WTC rubble and let them starve, suffocate, or bleed to death - as so many of their victims did.
Gideon, you do realize that when your persecuting terrorists your not entitled to become one? Giving three squares a day does not excuse Gitmo or Abu. They must be cleaned up or shut down not for the sake of the prisoners who have never been tried but for the next US prisoner who loses his head. Having a transparent due process will do a lot to defect criticism against the US and you can still have enemies of the US behind bars. But if you want to act like an animal don't be shocked when the world starts seeing you as one.
Canadians believe U.S. President George W. Bush is almost as great a threat to our national security as Osama bin Laden
The Hoser @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:20 am
I think he's been brutally and throughly owned, and we should leave his smoking corpse to rot in the sun instead of desecrating it.
The Hoser @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:35 am
Not even Constantinople, who disagrees with my on practically everything, can deny that it isn't Africa's fault it's a poor, 3rd world area. Well, I would expect so anyway.
(Yes, this is a bait to try and draw Constantinople into this argument so I don't get board)
gideon @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:34 am
lily lily:
I think there was a 3rd party that didn't agree.
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
They're commodities if their countrymen trade them as commodities.
If the africans had a problem with the commercial transactions in which their countries engaged, they should have petitioned their leaders to stop the deal.
The fact that they allowed it to continue means that they condoned it and that accepted whatever consequences it brought.
Africa's problems are of her own making.
Panzer @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:50 am
The powers that be see this war as a way to cut down on overpopulation.They also make a lot of money selling the guns/ammo to the warring parties. 
Iraq gets the attention because of the oil.As in the yanks need the oil to keep their lifestyle.The west does not need the Congo.Hence,no coverage. 
The Hoser @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:23 am
gideon gideon:
lily lily:
I think there was a 3rd party that didn't agree.
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
They're commodities if their countrymen trade them as commodities.
If the africans had a problem with the commercial transactions in which their countries engaged, they should have petitioned their leaders to stop the deal.
The fact that they allowed it to continue means that they condoned it and that accepted whatever consequences it brought.
Africa's problems are of her own making.
Your an idiot. The Africans didn't sell themselves, the British sold the Africans to other Brits, the African people were exploited to the bone. Don't you think they TRIED to fight back? Sure they did! But the Africans never had a chance againts the British. The British colonists used unknown tactics and weapons that the Africans could never have a need for, it was spears VS muskets. Who's going to win. It's just like the Aztecs and Cortez, you think that the Aztec people were used to fighting musketeers? No, they waged war in a much different and more honourable way, and thus they were sloughtered. I bet you blame the Native Americans for being massaccered out too, eh?
BartSimpson @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:36 am
Scape Scape:
Runs to the front of the thread and claims in it the name of John A MacDonald! 
Lily you opened the gate. I have no ire toward you but to the two posters who used that as an opening they have made this yet another example of why Canada should be independent of the US. The question still is why domestic media in Canada and international media as a whole (save the MSM in the US that is completely without shame) has not picked up on this issue and what can we be expected to do now that it has gone on so long?
Lily you opened the gate. I have no ire toward you but to the two posters who used that as an opening they have made this yet another example of why Canada should be independent of the US. The question still is why domestic media in Canada and international media as a whole (save the MSM in the US that is completely without shame) has not picked up on this issue and what can we be expected to do now that it has gone on so long?
Now I always agree that Canada should assert itself independent of the USA and I'll scream "Foul!" when the USA tweaks our friends in the Great White North. But do allow that I also think the USA should have the same leeway to act independently of Ottawa.
BartSimpson @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:53 am
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Well, then, good. Now, to get back on to the topic at hand...
Because most of africa is an uncivilized third world shithole. It should come as no surprise that its residents, by and large, live and die like animals.
With or without foreign aid, these apes are unwilling to change their lifestyles and enter the modern world. Maybe in a few more centuries they'll come around. Until then, it's somebody else's problem - NOT MINE.
So, what your saying, is that just because their poor they don't deserve our pity? You don't think that Africa has TRIED to move up in the world? Yes, they fucking have. But Africa, if you havn't noticed, is a bit poor and war-torn right now. Is it their fault? Fuck no it isn't. The British Empire exploited it so much that by the time they were out of there, Africa had nothing left but some poor people who were too weak to be taken as Slaves. That's what modern Africa was founded on. People to weak to be used as Slaves. They need help, and they aren't getting this help. If I could, I would hijack a news broadcasting truck, get it over to Africa, and show the world just how much they need our help, but I can't. The only people who can are bloody idiots, too worried about their own hair to notice what's going on in the world around them.
$1:
Because most of africa is an uncivilized third world shithole. It should come as no surprise that its residents, by and large, live and die like animals.
With or without foreign aid, these apes are unwilling to change their lifestyles and enter the modern world. Maybe in a few more centuries they'll come around. Until then, it's somebody else's problem - NOT MINE.
So, what your saying, is that just because their poor they don't deserve our pity? You don't think that Africa has TRIED to move up in the world? Yes, they fucking have. But Africa, if you havn't noticed, is a bit poor and war-torn right now. Is it their fault? Fuck no it isn't. The British Empire exploited it so much that by the time they were out of there, Africa had nothing left but some poor people who were too weak to be taken as Slaves. That's what modern Africa was founded on. People to weak to be used as Slaves. They need help, and they aren't getting this help. If I could, I would hijack a news broadcasting truck, get it over to Africa, and show the world just how much they need our help, but I can't. The only people who can are bloody idiots, too worried about their own hair to notice what's going on in the world around them.
Yeah, the UK screwed up every place they touched. I always feel sorry for the poor, starving masses of Canada who were exploited by the opportunistic British who left the place a mess of strife, starvation, and civil war. Except that they didn't.
The nations who learned from the British and then implemented what they learned did perfectly fine. Kenya is a good example of British success. Zimbabwe is a good example of an African country that was prosperous and successful when governed under the British style but has now devolved into a typical African kleptocracy and now people are starving to death.
The Hoser @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:56 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Well, then, good. Now, to get back on to the topic at hand...
Because most of africa is an uncivilized third world shithole. It should come as no surprise that its residents, by and large, live and die like animals.
With or without foreign aid, these apes are unwilling to change their lifestyles and enter the modern world. Maybe in a few more centuries they'll come around. Until then, it's somebody else's problem - NOT MINE.
So, what your saying, is that just because their poor they don't deserve our pity? You don't think that Africa has TRIED to move up in the world? Yes, they fucking have. But Africa, if you havn't noticed, is a bit poor and war-torn right now. Is it their fault? Fuck no it isn't. The British Empire exploited it so much that by the time they were out of there, Africa had nothing left but some poor people who were too weak to be taken as Slaves. That's what modern Africa was founded on. People to weak to be used as Slaves. They need help, and they aren't getting this help. If I could, I would hijack a news broadcasting truck, get it over to Africa, and show the world just how much they need our help, but I can't. The only people who can are bloody idiots, too worried about their own hair to notice what's going on in the world around them.
$1:
Because most of africa is an uncivilized third world shithole. It should come as no surprise that its residents, by and large, live and die like animals.
With or without foreign aid, these apes are unwilling to change their lifestyles and enter the modern world. Maybe in a few more centuries they'll come around. Until then, it's somebody else's problem - NOT MINE.
So, what your saying, is that just because their poor they don't deserve our pity? You don't think that Africa has TRIED to move up in the world? Yes, they fucking have. But Africa, if you havn't noticed, is a bit poor and war-torn right now. Is it their fault? Fuck no it isn't. The British Empire exploited it so much that by the time they were out of there, Africa had nothing left but some poor people who were too weak to be taken as Slaves. That's what modern Africa was founded on. People to weak to be used as Slaves. They need help, and they aren't getting this help. If I could, I would hijack a news broadcasting truck, get it over to Africa, and show the world just how much they need our help, but I can't. The only people who can are bloody idiots, too worried about their own hair to notice what's going on in the world around them.
Yeah, the UK screwed up every place they touched. I always feel sorry for the poor, starving masses of Canada who were exploited by the opportunistic British who left the place a mess of strife, starvation, and civil war. Except that they didn't.
The nations who learned from the British and then implemented what they learned did perfectly fine. Kenya is a good example of British success. Zimbabwe is a good example of an African country that was prosperous and successful when governed under the British style but has now devolved into a typical African kleptocracy and now people are starving to death.
Can you blame some Africans from rejecting British-style rule? These were the people who stole the healthiest people for slaves, these are the people who slaughtered and butchered thousands of Africans, can you truely blame the Africans from TRYING to go back to how it was before the British came?
BartSimpson @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:16 pm
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
gideon gideon:
lily lily:
I think there was a 3rd party that didn't agree.
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
They're commodities if their countrymen trade them as commodities.
If the africans had a problem with the commercial transactions in which their countries engaged, they should have petitioned their leaders to stop the deal.
The fact that they allowed it to continue means that they condoned it and that accepted whatever consequences it brought.
Africa's problems are of her own making.
Your an idiot. The Africans didn't sell themselves, the British sold the Africans to other Brits, the African people were exploited to the bone. Don't you think they TRIED to fight back? Sure they did! But the Africans never had a chance againts the British. The British colonists used unknown tactics and weapons that the Africans could never have a need for, it was spears VS muskets. Who's going to win. It's just like the Aztecs and Cortez, you think that the Aztec people were used to fighting musketeers? No, they waged war in a much different and more honourable way, and thus they were sloughtered. I bet you blame the Native Americans for being massaccered out too, eh?
The Africans did sell other Africans into slavery. Check your facts. It still happens to this day, mind you.
The Aztecs did not wage war in an 'honourable' way. They captured people and ripped their living hearts out of their chests before tossing their corpses down the blood-stained steps of their pyramids. The Aztecs were cannibals and have been determined as the likely reason the Anasazi disappeared in the 1300s & 1400s. Aztec bodies have been found in the pueblo areas with human hemoglobin in their feces.
The Navajo and Hopi tribes both credit the Spanish with stopping Aztec northward expansion. The Sun God was a hungry bastard and demanded blood to assure each new sunrise and the Aztecs were all too happy to appease that hunger.
The Native Americans failed to hold back European expansionism because the Europeans were superior culturally, militarily, and technologically. Had the Native Americans simply united themselves against the common foe they may well have driven the Europeans into the sea. But they could not set aside ancient hostilities long enough to defeat a common foe.
There is a lesson in that, I think, for everyone.
The Hoser @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:33 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
gideon gideon:
lily lily:
I think there was a 3rd party that didn't agree.
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
Or do you think people are actually commodities?
They're commodities if their countrymen trade them as commodities.
If the africans had a problem with the commercial transactions in which their countries engaged, they should have petitioned their leaders to stop the deal.
The fact that they allowed it to continue means that they condoned it and that accepted whatever consequences it brought.
Africa's problems are of her own making.
Your an idiot. The Africans didn't sell themselves, the British sold the Africans to other Brits, the African people were exploited to the bone. Don't you think they TRIED to fight back? Sure they did! But the Africans never had a chance againts the British. The British colonists used unknown tactics and weapons that the Africans could never have a need for, it was spears VS muskets. Who's going to win. It's just like the Aztecs and Cortez, you think that the Aztec people were used to fighting musketeers? No, they waged war in a much different and more honourable way, and thus they were sloughtered. I bet you blame the Native Americans for being massaccered out too, eh?
The Africans did sell other Africans into slavery. Check your facts. It still happens to this day, mind you.
The Aztecs did not wage war in an 'honourable' way. They captured people and ripped their living hearts out of their chests before tossing their corpses down the blood-stained steps of their pyramids. The Aztecs were cannibals and have been determined as the likely reason the Anasazi disappeared in the 1300s & 1400s. Aztec bodies have been found in the pueblo areas with human hemoglobin in their feces.
ish with stopping Aztec northward expansion. The Sun God was a hungry bastard and demanded blood to assure each new sunrise and the Aztecs were all too happy to appease that hunger.
The Native Americans failed to hold back Europ
The Navajo and Hopi tribes both credit the Spanean expansionism because the Europeans were superior culturally, militarily, and technologically. Had the Native Americans simply united themselves against the common foe they may well have driven the Europeans into the sea. But they could not set aside ancient hostilities long enough to defeat a common foe.
There is a lesson in that, I think, for everyone.
When I said honourable, I meant what was honourable by them. Different concepts of honour. I also meant that they faught face-to-face with the enamy and didn't just stand back and blast their enamy to hell. That was not my real point anyway.
The Africans weren't selling Africans, not the real Africans anyway. The only people in power were the ones put into power by the British, and they did the selling. Aye, probably some Africans sold other Africans, but I don't think that we shouldn't help a country simply because, what, 5% of their population did to the other 95%? They need our help and they're not getting it.
Scape @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:36 pm
Boer War
Apartheid
Yes, British colonies like Canada, South Africa, India and Canada did prosper but the natives did not, they were treated like commodities. It was Cecil Rhodes who declared Africans as savages and exploited them as such.
BartSimpson @ Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:16 pm
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Well, then, good. Now, to get back on to the topic at hand...
Because most of africa is an uncivilized third world shithole. It should come as no surprise that its residents, by and large, live and die like animals.
With or without foreign aid, these apes are unwilling to change their lifestyles and enter the modern world. Maybe in a few more centuries they'll come around. Until then, it's somebody else's problem - NOT MINE.
So, what your saying, is that just because their poor they don't deserve our pity? You don't think that Africa has TRIED to move up in the world? Yes, they fucking have. But Africa, if you havn't noticed, is a bit poor and war-torn right now. Is it their fault? Fuck no it isn't. The British Empire exploited it so much that by the time they were out of there, Africa had nothing left but some poor people who were too weak to be taken as Slaves. That's what modern Africa was founded on. People to weak to be used as Slaves. They need help, and they aren't getting this help. If I could, I would hijack a news broadcasting truck, get it over to Africa, and show the world just how much they need our help, but I can't. The only people who can are bloody idiots, too worried about their own hair to notice what's going on in the world around them.
$1:
Because most of africa is an uncivilized third world shithole. It should come as no surprise that its residents, by and large, live and die like animals.
With or without foreign aid, these apes are unwilling to change their lifestyles and enter the modern world. Maybe in a few more centuries they'll come around. Until then, it's somebody else's problem - NOT MINE.
So, what your saying, is that just because their poor they don't deserve our pity? You don't think that Africa has TRIED to move up in the world? Yes, they fucking have. But Africa, if you havn't noticed, is a bit poor and war-torn right now. Is it their fault? Fuck no it isn't. The British Empire exploited it so much that by the time they were out of there, Africa had nothing left but some poor people who were too weak to be taken as Slaves. That's what modern Africa was founded on. People to weak to be used as Slaves. They need help, and they aren't getting this help. If I could, I would hijack a news broadcasting truck, get it over to Africa, and show the world just how much they need our help, but I can't. The only people who can are bloody idiots, too worried about their own hair to notice what's going on in the world around them.
Yeah, the UK screwed up every place they touched. I always feel sorry for the poor, starving masses of Canada who were exploited by the opportunistic British who left the place a mess of strife, starvation, and civil war. Except that they didn't.
The nations who learned from the British and then implemented what they learned did perfectly fine. Kenya is a good example of British success. Zimbabwe is a good example of an African country that was prosperous and successful when governed under the British style but has now devolved into a typical African kleptocracy and now people are starving to death.
Can you blame some Africans from rejecting British-style rule? These were the people who stole the healthiest people for slaves, these are the people who slaughtered and butchered thousands of Africans, can you truely blame the Africans from TRYING to go back to how it was before the British came?
Gee, you think it is rational to reject parliamentarian democracy in favour of despotism? If you truly believe the Africans want bastards like Robert Mugabe starving them to death then what is your problem? Why complain about Africans starving and dying when you acknowledge that they're doing it to themselves?