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Abbas @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:51 am

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Wrong. Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers during a period of reduced tension between Israel and the Palestinians, therefore provoking the conflict.

Those brave warriors of Islam also rained basically unguided missiles onto populated areas in much the same way Hitler used the V1's against London's civilian population.

Radical Islam takes many lessons in terror from the Nazi's.

Another apologist for Mulsim murder.

By the way, this was debated at length in the summer of 2006. Hezbollah was still a bunch of murdering cowards then. Unless of course you were a Bloc leader or a jolly Liberal where they were seen as freedom fighters against the nasty Jews.

Or is it ok for any Muslims to commit acts of terror in you're eyes?


Here is some real info for you:

$1:
One of its most controversial aspects of the conflict has been the high number of civilian deaths. The vast majority of casualties were civilians: around 1,056 Lebanese civilians (although an Israeli research group report suggests that up to 650 of these were Hezbollah fighters[10]) and 44 Israeli civilians.[89][90] Almost one third of the Lebanese civilian casualties were children under 13 years of age. [91] [92]

The United Nations Development Program (UNDP) initially estimated about 35,000 homes and businesses in Lebanon were destroyed by Israel in the conflict, while a quarter of the country's road bridges or overpasses were damaged. Jean Fabre, a UNDP spokesman, estimated that overall economic losses for Lebanon from the month-long conflict between Israel and Hezbollah totaled "at least $15 billion, if not more."[93] Israel says that it only attacked buildings and infrastructure used by Hezbollah to launch rockets or receive re-supply from Iran and Syria.[94][95]


source: Search 2006 Lebanon/Israel conflict on wikipedia (cant post links yet)

This is what the "GUIDED" missiles did. Killed civilians and isnt killing civilians cosidered war crimes?... Wouldnt both Israel and Hezbollah considered criminals after that?

Since you have taken a stance to speak up for Israel, I will do the same for Hezbollah. First off, actions that you are calling acts of terror is commited by an army that is as official in lebanon as IDF is in israel. If an army defensive or offensive, I dont believe, they are called terrorists.

There are no nasty jews nor muslims nor christains. I believe in all three religions and I have no hard feelings towards any one of them. However, I do despite G.W.B and Olmert, my reason for this is their way of deceiving masses to believe their cause is correct. If you were living in Lebanon, trust me you would support Hezbollah as much as you support Israel regardless of what religion you belong too.

Its funny how you say "Or is it ok for any Muslims to commit acts of terror in you're eyes", I am not aware of one muslim nation that is currently attacking the USA or Israel or made the first move. Septermber 11 was blamed on Taliban without any solid proof. It is hard to believe the US especially after half of the so called "Terrorists" that crashed the planes were alive and well with their families.

If one nation doesnt like another then they should be referred to as what they are. For example, Americans, Canadians, Israelies, Afganis, Iraqis, Iranian and so on. Refering to everyone as Muslims is kind of wrong, dont you think?. Especially when you use the word Radical, Terrorist or Islamist while speaking about all Muslims. By the way, these words were invented and distributed by the American media. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter... remember that.

Thanks for reading and I am hoping for another reply so we can continuo this conversation.

   



EyeBrock @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:40 pm

Abbas Abbas:
$1:
Wrong. Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers during a period of reduced tension between Israel and the Palestinians, therefore provoking the conflict.

Those brave warriors of Islam also rained basically unguided missiles onto populated areas in much the same way Hitler used the V1's against London's civilian population.

Radical Islam takes many lessons in terror from the Nazi's.

Another apologist for Mulsim murder.

By the way, this was debated at length in the summer of 2006. Hezbollah was still a bunch of murdering cowards then. Unless of course you were a Bloc leader or a jolly Liberal where they were seen as freedom fighters against the nasty Jews.

Or is it ok for any Muslims to commit acts of terror in you're eyes?


Here is some real info for you:

$1:
One of its most controversial aspects of the conflict has been the high number of civilian deaths. The vast majority of casualties were civilians: around 1,056 Lebanese civilians (although an Israeli research group report suggests that up to 650 of these were Hezbollah fighters[10]) and 44 Israeli civilians.[89][90] Almost one third of the Lebanese civilian casualties were children under 13 years of age. [91] [92]

The United Nations Development Program (UNDP) initially estimated about 35,000 homes and businesses in Lebanon were destroyed by Israel in the conflict, while a quarter of the country's road bridges or overpasses were damaged. Jean Fabre, a UNDP spokesman, estimated that overall economic losses for Lebanon from the month-long conflict between Israel and Hezbollah totaled "at least $15 billion, if not more."[93] Israel says that it only attacked buildings and infrastructure used by Hezbollah to launch rockets or receive re-supply from Iran and Syria.[94][95]


source: Search 2006 Lebanon/Israel conflict on wikipedia (cant post links yet)

This is what the "GUIDED" missiles did. Killed civilians and isnt killing civilians cosidered war crimes?... Wouldnt both Israel and Hezbollah considered criminals after that?

Since you have taken a stance to speak up for Israel, I will do the same for Hezbollah. First off, actions that you are calling acts of terror is commited by an army that is as official in lebanon as IDF is in israel. If an army defensive or offensive, I dont believe, they are called terrorists.

There are no nasty jews nor muslims nor christains. I believe in all three religions and I have no hard feelings towards any one of them. However, I do despite G.W.B and Olmert, my reason for this is their way of deceiving masses to believe their cause is correct. If you were living in Lebanon, trust me you would support Hezbollah as much as you support Israel regardless of what religion you belong too.

Its funny how you say "Or is it ok for any Muslims to commit acts of terror in you're eyes", I am not aware of one muslim nation that is currently attacking the USA or Israel or made the first move. Septermber 11 was blamed on Taliban without any solid proof. It is hard to believe the US especially after half of the so called "Terrorists" that crashed the planes were alive and well with their families.

If one nation doesnt like another then they should be referred to as what they are. For example, Americans, Canadians, Israelies, Afganis, Iraqis, Iranian and so on. Refering to everyone as Muslims is kind of wrong, dont you think?. Especially when you use the word Radical, Terrorist or Islamist while speaking about all Muslims. By the way, these words were invented and distributed by the American media. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter... remember that.

Thanks for reading and I am hoping for another reply so we can continuo this conversation.


Well, my uniformed chap. Firstly Hezbollah is officially a terrorist organisation. The Israeli Army is the military of a democratic nation.
Hezbollah launched strikes from populated areas to populated areas.

Israel is a country who's formation was sanctioned by the United Nations.

I have spent time in Beirut and I can tell you I would not be supporting Hezbollah, just like the Christian minority in Lebanon are not supporting this band of thugs.

And to just disregard the organised acts of terror committed by the various groups such as the Taliban, al Qaeda etc , all committed in the name of Islam, all by MUSLIMS, is to conveniently ignore the fact that radical ISLAM, not any specific country, has declared war on the West.

Your ability to ignore these facts just adds to the collective lack of awareness Muslims have about what is really going on.

No Islamic nation can take on the west because they are incapable, corrupt and too busy oppressing their own people.


This is a land built by civilised peoples. Built with freedom, democracy, the rule of law and social justice for all. It took us in the west a couple of thousand years to get here and the points I have mentioned are the reasons we are so successful and so militarily and economically powerful.


The Islamic nations are still several hundred years behind.

If you don't like our way of life and values , why did you come here?

   



Abbas @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:54 pm

Eye,

I am not sure who labelled Hezbollah OFFICIALLY? Was it you or bush or olmert or someone else? I didnt hear one lebanese person call them terrorists, especially after they stood up their country while the lebanese army was watching the country get demolished.

Its funny how you say christains are not support Hezbollah, yet they are camped outside just like thosands of muslims to support hezbollah get rid of the current lebanese government.

Radical islam? there is no such thing. There is only one islam and I am part of it but do you see me with a gun in my hand running around trying to wage war on people, nope. Do you see the Americans or Israelies doing that on someone elses land? Yes.

I am not ignoring any facts and I totally disagree with Taliban, Al Qaeda or Saddam. They were installed by the USA and for them to wage war on the world on behalf of islam is like saying I can speak for all of Canada.

The west has always supported the people you call terrorist today such as Taliban, Saddam, Al Queda. Wow, isnt the west sooooo smart.

This land was ONCE built on freedom, democracy and the rule of law however after corporations took over, all this changed. I am sure, america was pretty democratic when it came to BUSH and Florida scandle. Also, they maybe militarily and economically powerfull but they are still sucking on MUSLIM NATION's oil, I wonder who relies on who?

Islamic nations dont need your democracy nor do they need your type of freedom thats controlled by a TV. They have Islam and the Quran to guide them. They dont need you to tell them how to live, I am sure they know since they been doing it for a long time, since the time of Hazret Muhammed.

I am fully aware of the situation in the world, trust me on that. I am not sure if you are fully ready to except the fact that WEST maybe wrong for once and these so called Muslim Terrorists may have a point.

Try reading books, they help alot. Thanks

   



EyeBrock @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:03 pm

Abbas Abbas:
Eye,

I am not sure who labelled Hezbollah OFFICIALLY? Was it you or bush or olmert or someone else? I didnt hear one lebanese person call them terrorists, especially after they stood up their country while the lebanese army was watching the country get demolished.

Its funny how you say christains are not support Hezbollah, yet they are camped outside just like thosands of muslims to support hezbollah get rid of the current lebanese government.

Radical islam? there is no such thing. There is only one islam and I am part of it but do you see me with a gun in my hand running around trying to wage war on people, nope. Do you see the Americans or Israelies doing that on someone elses land? Yes.

I am not ignoring any facts and I totally disagree with Taliban, Al Qaeda or Saddam. They were installed by the USA and for them to wage war on the world on behalf of islam is like saying I can speak for all of Canada.

The west has always supported the people you call terrorist today such as Taliban, Saddam, Al Queda. Wow, isnt the west sooooo smart.

This land was ONCE built on freedom, democracy and the rule of law however after corporations took over, all this changed. I am sure, america was pretty democratic when it came to BUSH and Florida scandle. Also, they maybe militarily and economically powerfull but they are still sucking on MUSLIM NATION's oil, I wonder who relies on who?

Islamic nations dont need your democracy nor do they need your type of freedom thats controlled by a TV. They have Islam and the Quran to guide them. They dont need you to tell them how to live, I am sure they know since they been doing it for a long time, since the time of Hazret Muhammed.

I am fully aware of the situation in the world, trust me on that. I am not sure if you are fully ready to except the fact that WEST maybe wrong for once and these so called Muslim Terrorists may have a point.

Try reading books, they help alot. Thanks


Well, The Government Canada has listed Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation since 2003, Mr Canadian.

Spare me the usual Jihadi propaganda about rich corporations, oil etc.

Spare me your "Iran is a democracy" crap.

Al Qaeda were not organised by the US. They were organised by militant Wahbbis from Saudi Arabia.

You sound like a real proud Canadian there, espousing the shite from your local Imam and Al Jazeera.

I bet you are a real supporter of our boys fighting the Taliban eh?

Oh, did you tell me how many churches were in Mecca yet? The Rome Mosque has been there for 24 years, very close to St Peters Basilica.

   



camerontech @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:07 pm

and you guys thought Avro was a terrorist apologist

   



Abbas @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:11 pm

Well, I am not a Canadian first of all. I am an Indo-Canadian. Second, I dont really have to agree with my government now do I? otherwise this wouldnt be a democracy especially when their opnion is completly based on what USA says. It was USA that labelled Hezbollah terrorists, not Canada, we followed along just like Britain and Europe did.

Why should I spare you the oil, Iran is a democracy? Maybe because you cannot answer those questions, maybe you are too blind to see that your own leaders can deceive you?

Al Qaeda was installed... I never said they were organized by US. Osama was trained by the CIA, if that not supporting them enough?

Iran is pretty damn democratic my friend, cany you point out why they are not a democracy? They have a government, people vote for the government, someone wins and they run the government. Is that so hard to understand? or do I gota take this convo back to social 10.

I support Canada in every way and form but that doesnt mean I will blindly support anything Canada does. I have a voice, just like you sir and I am willing to express my opnion whether you like it or not.

Like I said, rome has mosque and saudi has chruches. Mecca has no chruches and vatican city has no mosques. I think that is pretty basic since they are both holy places for 2 different religions and placing a chruch or a mosque next to these holy places wouldnt really help the peace process in the world.

   



EyeBrock @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:18 pm

Abbas Abbas:
Well, I am not a Canadian first of all. I am an Indo-Canadian. Second, I dont really have to agree with my government now do I? otherwise this wouldnt be a democracy especially when their opnion is completly based on what USA says. It was USA that labelled Hezbollah terrorists, not Canada, we followed along just like Britain and Europe did.

Why should I spare you the oil, Iran is a democracy? Maybe because you cannot answer those questions, maybe you are too blind to see that your own leaders can deceive you?

Al Qaeda was installed... I never said they were organized by US. Osama was trained by the CIA, if that not supporting them enough?

Iran is pretty damn democratic my friend, cany you point out why they are not a democracy? They have a government, people vote for the government, someone wins and they run the government. Is that so hard to understand? or do I gota take this convo back to social 10.

I support Canada in every way and form but that doesnt mean I will blindly support anything Canada does. I have a voice, just like you sir and I am willing to express my opnion whether you like it or not.

Like I said, rome has mosque and saudi has chruches. Mecca has no chruches and vatican city has no mosques. I think that is pretty basic since they are both holy places for 2 different religions and placing a chruch or a mosque next to these holy places wouldnt really help the peace process in the world.


Indo-Canadian? Is that a citizenship? Does it say that on your passport or citizenship card?

So who comes first, India or Canada? Do you live here? If so you should be Canadian first. Typical.

Mixed loyalities were pretty obvious in Beruit too. Another plastic Canadian speaks. Happy to live here but hates our way of life.

And if you need me to point out that the people have no voice in Iran then you know very little or you believe Islamic propaganda waaayyy too much.

Mecca has no Churches and Rome has a Mosque. Endex.

   



Proculation @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:18 pm

I think this guy is just another Calgary123's puppet nickname.

   



ziggy @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:22 pm

Proculation Proculation:
I think this guy is just another Calgary123's puppet nickname.


yup,Im senseing a few trolls are around. :roll:

   



camerontech @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:56 pm

Abbas Abbas:
Well, I am not a Canadian first of all. I am an Indo-Canadian. Second, I dont really have to agree with my government now do I? otherwise this wouldnt be a democracy especially when their opnion is completly based on what USA says. It was USA that labelled Hezbollah terrorists, not Canada, we followed along just like Britain and Europe did.

Why should I spare you the oil, Iran is a democracy? Maybe because you cannot answer those questions, maybe you are too blind to see that your own leaders can deceive you?


i know you're new here and everything, but you need to educate yourself on canadian politics and canadian culture. To say that we simply do everything the USA does..."just cause" is pretty ignorant and you're not making your argument any stronger by spouting off gibberish like that.

Canada labelled Hezbollah terrorist because THEY ARE TERRORIST. not because the USA did it first so we happily jumped along. Canada was the first to cut funding to the Hamas government, the USA did it after us. Does that mean the USA based their opinion about Hamas completely on Canada? I think not.

And to quote south park.

"If you don't like it then you can get out"

   



Abbas @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:01 pm

camerontech camerontech:
Abbas Abbas:
Well, I am not a Canadian first of all. I am an Indo-Canadian. Second, I dont really have to agree with my government now do I? otherwise this wouldnt be a democracy especially when their opnion is completly based on what USA says. It was USA that labelled Hezbollah terrorists, not Canada, we followed along just like Britain and Europe did.

Why should I spare you the oil, Iran is a democracy? Maybe because you cannot answer those questions, maybe you are too blind to see that your own leaders can deceive you?


i know you're new here and everything, but you need to educate yourself on canadian politics and canadian culture. To say that we simply do everything the USA does..."just cause" is pretty ignorant and you're not making your argument any stronger by spouting off gibberish like that.

Canada labelled Hezbollah terrorist because THEY ARE TERRORIST. not because the USA did it first so we happily jumped along. Canada was the first to cut funding to the Hamas government, the USA did it after us. Does that mean the USA based their opinion about Hamas completely on Canada? I think not.

And to quote south park.

"If you don't like it then you can get out"


Hmm, I am pretty educated with Canadian Politics and Canadian culture, I think 2 years in Poli Sci would back me up.

I dont ever remember Hezbollah attacking Canada or maybe I am missing something, please point it out.

You really think that everything in this world takes place in an order?... As soon as Hamas won, I didnt hear a peep out of Canada instead some canadian reports were put down after they brought up the subject. I think its you who needs to educate yourself on Islam, then maybe you can speak for both sides. I've lived in Canada long enough, I have friends from Christain, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and many more different religions.

I am well aware of what they are and why they believe in some things that they do. Its pretty irrogant to label someone terrorist because Canada said you. I thought WE THE CANADIANS were all about freedom of speech.

   



Proculation @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:11 pm

Let's ask the question a different way:

What make you think that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization ?

   



camerontech @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:38 pm

Abbas Abbas:
camerontech camerontech:
Abbas Abbas:
Well, I am not a Canadian first of all. I am an Indo-Canadian. Second, I dont really have to agree with my government now do I? otherwise this wouldnt be a democracy especially when their opnion is completly based on what USA says. It was USA that labelled Hezbollah terrorists, not Canada, we followed along just like Britain and Europe did.

Why should I spare you the oil, Iran is a democracy? Maybe because you cannot answer those questions, maybe you are too blind to see that your own leaders can deceive you?


i know you're new here and everything, but you need to educate yourself on canadian politics and canadian culture. To say that we simply do everything the USA does..."just cause" is pretty ignorant and you're not making your argument any stronger by spouting off gibberish like that.

Canada labelled Hezbollah terrorist because THEY ARE TERRORIST. not because the USA did it first so we happily jumped along. Canada was the first to cut funding to the Hamas government, the USA did it after us. Does that mean the USA based their opinion about Hamas completely on Canada? I think not.

And to quote south park.

"If you don't like it then you can get out"


Hmm, I am pretty educated with Canadian Politics and Canadian culture, I think 2 years in Poli Sci would back me up.

I dont ever remember Hezbollah attacking Canada or maybe I am missing something, please point it out.

You really think that everything in this world takes place in an order?... As soon as Hamas won, I didnt hear a peep out of Canada instead some canadian reports were put down after they brought up the subject. I think its you who needs to educate yourself on Islam, then maybe you can speak for both sides. I've lived in Canada long enough, I have friends from Christain, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and many more different religions.

I am well aware of what they are and why they believe in some things that they do. Its pretty irrogant to label someone terrorist because Canada said you. I thought WE THE CANADIANS were all about freedom of speech.


exactly, do they need to attack canada directly for us to consider them terrorist?? hell no.
I don't even know what you're talking about in this post about freedom of speech. of course we have freedom of speech and you can say all you want about hezbollah not being terrorist, but the canadian government can still take that position if it feels it is right. Calling them terrorist means a restriction of funds and advertising in Canada, it's more than just something they say out loud to make a group of people happy. Maybe you need to look at your poli sci class notes about democracy again.

And if you didn't hear a thing from Canada after Hamas won then you weren't listening.

   



EyeBrock @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:43 pm

Abbas Abbas:
camerontech camerontech:
Abbas Abbas:
Well, I am not a Canadian first of all. I am an Indo-Canadian. Second, I dont really have to agree with my government now do I? otherwise this wouldnt be a democracy especially when their opnion is completly based on what USA says. It was USA that labelled Hezbollah terrorists, not Canada, we followed along just like Britain and Europe did.

Why should I spare you the oil, Iran is a democracy? Maybe because you cannot answer those questions, maybe you are too blind to see that your own leaders can deceive you?


i know you're new here and everything, but you need to educate yourself on canadian politics and canadian culture. To say that we simply do everything the USA does..."just cause" is pretty ignorant and you're not making your argument any stronger by spouting off gibberish like that.

Canada labelled Hezbollah terrorist because THEY ARE TERRORIST. not because the USA did it first so we happily jumped along. Canada was the first to cut funding to the Hamas government, the USA did it after us. Does that mean the USA based their opinion about Hamas completely on Canada? I think not.

And to quote south park.

"If you don't like it then you can get out"


Hmm, I am pretty educated with Canadian Politics and Canadian culture, I think 2 years in Poli Sci would back me up.

I dont ever remember Hezbollah attacking Canada or maybe I am missing something, please point it out.

You really think that everything in this world takes place in an order?... As soon as Hamas won, I didnt hear a peep out of Canada instead some canadian reports were put down after they brought up the subject. I think its you who needs to educate yourself on Islam, then maybe you can speak for both sides. I've lived in Canada long enough, I have friends from Christain, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and many more different religions.

I am well aware of what they are and why they believe in some things that they do. Its pretty irrogant to label someone terrorist because Canada said you. I thought WE THE CANADIANS were all about freedom of speech.


Now is this the pakistani talking, or the plastic Canadian?

Here's the list old chap.

http://www.psepc-sppcc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp

   



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