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WpgGweedo @ Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:44 pm

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dgthe3 @ Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:58 pm

One problem, what will all those people that are going to move to the cities drink? It sounds stupid, but it is a real problem because China doesn't have that much water especially compared to the population. This isn't much of a problem when people are spread out on farmland, but move them to the cities and the rivers may not be able to support it. Look at southern California and what it has done to the Colorado River. Unless they figure out how to make desalinization cheap, the Chinese have a potentially huge problem on their hands. Agriculture and industry need a lot of water too and they also pollute it. The urbanization of China may be the first step in it's downfall.

   



Scape @ Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:08 am

dgthe3 dgthe3:
One problem, what will all those people that are going to move to the cities drink? This isn't much of a problem when people are spread out on farmland, but move them to the cities and the rivers may not be able to support it.


Isn't a problem? It is the reason why the government is relocation the population to the cities. The ecology just can not sustain the population. Cities are their only option and water is indeed a crisis point for them but in cities it can be more effectively distributed. Not pretty and people will die no matter what they do from the lack of food and water but it's their best and only option at this point.

   



redram22 @ Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:51 pm

yes china is the new economic superpower and i dont know what my gov the US is going to do about it because military wise it is bad news since the US is the world superpower and all well i did some research and it turns out the US is still pretty safe i found out that the US spends more money on its military than the other top 20 military spending nations do combined the US spends almost 1 trillon $ a year on miltary hardware that is pretty scary for 1 nation to spend so much just to ensure it can do some major ass kicking so china really isnt that big of threat if that was crossing your mind oyh and im sure we can pretty much cover canada like we would honestly let canada go to the dogs although china dosnt even have the ability to fight war that well at all over seas while the unitedstates still has the ability to call itself the global army we are only concerned with pacific control we dont want them massing a navy that can stand up to ours although in the twenty first century naval wars are pretty much aircraft wars im just saying this because i dont want wise guys starting to think americas going to get its ass kicked in fact there is a chance the US will interfere with china if it trys to go and liberate taiwan that will give the US a good reason to beat the living shit out of developing chinas ass

   



Tman1 @ Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:12 pm

redram22 redram22:
yes china is the new economic superpower and i dont know what my gov the US is going to do about it because military wise it is bad news since the US is the world superpower and all well i did some research and it turns out the US is still pretty safe i found out that the US spends more money on its military than the other top 20 military spending nations do combined the US spends almost 1 trillon $ a year on miltary hardware that is pretty scary for 1 nation to spend so much just to ensure it can do some major ass kicking so china really isnt that big of threat if that was crossing your mind oyh and im sure we can pretty much cover canada like we would honestly let canada go to the dogs although china dosnt even have the ability to fight war that well at all over seas while the unitedstates still has the ability to call itself the global army we are only concerned with pacific control we dont want them massing a navy that can stand up to ours although in the twenty first century naval wars are pretty much aircraft wars im just saying this because i dont want wise guys starting to think americas going to get its ass kicked in fact there is a chance the US will interfere with china if it trys to go and liberate taiwan that will give the US a good reason to beat the living shit out of developing chinas ass


Nice typical mindless American response, traditional mind you. First, learn to use paragraphs, helps much. I think the root of the topic is "ECONOMIC" not "MILITARY" superpower. So if China is the new economic super power can that not mean that they can build up to American standards, whatever they are? The only ass that gets kicked here is the Americans. Sorry but its true.

   



jadeofthenorth @ Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:29 pm

This is probably bad news. The Chinese government condones and even carries out millions of acts that violate human rights. Maybe the properity will encourage change, but its doubtful.

   



Mukluk @ Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:31 pm

lol redram. Love how you never used one punctuation mark in your entire post. Not even at the end! rofl.

China is massive, and will soon rule the roost without doubt, economically and militarily. Hopefully they won't have the ambition to rule the world like Bush does.

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dgthe3 @ Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:40 pm

In the air and at sea, the US cannot be beat by anyone and likely will not be beat by anyone in the near future. In a land war, China will win unless there are nukes,in that case nobody wins. The Americans cannot fight a war in south east asia, the mind set of the people and concept of war is too different over there. China does not have the capabilities to invade anyone off of mainland China, yet, but on the mainland they would be unstopable, whether invading or defending.

Economically, China is barely advancing in the complexity of their exports and very little of it is actually designed in China. Besides, there is much more to being an economic power than having a large population. It is a better idea to look at percentages and ratios. i don't know the numbers and don't care to look them up, but how many text messages were sent in Japan? Also, low wages is not a sign of ecconomic power.

And about the water, i do not see how moving to the city makes the water situation better. Out in the country side there may be a few streams or rivers to provide water for aggriculture. In the city, there may only be 1 major river near by or just an aqufer underground. In many areas, there just isn't enough water to support the population and this is worsened greatly dense urban populations. This problem is not isolated to China but is a problem around the world. The difference is population size and technological development. China needs to be one of the most efficient users of its resources to become a power. However, being efficient in the use of resources is not possible as you are starting to develop technologically because is is so expensive in the short term. This post is getting too long now so i will stop here, feel free to ask me to explain any of the above.

   



redram22 @ Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:30 am

Sorry about not using punctuation I really didn't think that was the topic. But see if you understood the US point of view then you would know why we begin to immediatley say to ourselves "how will this effect military capabilities" thats what happens when a nation becomes a world superpower you have to make sure that you can defend your position and still stay strong by this th US is only worried about losing influence in the Pacific, the US just dosn't want a power struggle with any country on this earth. Now for those of you who have the belief that china could scare off US forces the US still spends ten times more than china does on it's military and realize China is really trying to make a dangerous military yet still is not up to theUS challenge. Now their economy is doing better, but so is the EU and that doesnt mean all of a sudden that Spain has become stronger that the US. Now if China wants to play nice then I guess they are really doing something good for themselves, afterall they do have a lot of people to tend to. Military wise they better cool it or they are going to start having some meetings with US government figures. If they attack Taiwan the US will probably jump in maybe, I can't be sure but if it does happen then I doubt there will be a China invasion all the US would do is keep them away from Taiwan not go in and beat the shit out of the Chineese military. Either way with China becoming stronger, and India also picking up economicaly, North Korea going nuclear, Russia starting to get back on it's feet, and terrorists running wild, and Iran screaming "death to America" and threatening us with a hellish fiery death maybe the world of Democracy needs to start being better friends instead of rivals you know get the whole WW 2 spirit going. But in the end with the way the US likes to use aircraft and artillary and special operations with every move we make I believe in the end the US could royally rape China. Military analysts don't seem to be thinking there is going to be a change of power, just a new developing threat. Oh and to be honest Americans think Canada is cool they just think your flag is a little odd. What does the maple leaf stand for?

   



redram22 @ Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:31 am

just for the record i put paragraphs when it posted it took them out

   



spikedriver @ Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:14 am

the fact that many believe that China is the next economic superpower makes me wonder why the hell the Martin government is sending millions of our dollars to assist them in economic releif.

By allintensive standards they claim to be a 3rd world standing country relying upon assistance from Canada and others.

I wonder if, when we hit 3 third world levels (which economists concur we have slipped from 2nd in the world to well below 19th) who will come to our financial aid. :?:

   



Schleihauf @ Mon May 02, 2005 6:01 pm

China is pulling ahead? Looks like its up to Germany to beat them.

   



Zipperfish @ Mon May 02, 2005 10:50 pm

If China is burgeoning, I see that as good news for Canada. They need oil, they need wood and they need technology, all of which we have a lot of. They are going through sort of industrial era growing pains -- massive pollution problems etc. But we've long since solved those problems through emissions control, sanitary engineering, environmental regulation etc. and we can help China solve them -- for a price of course.

Incidentally, I don't think we provide foreign aid to China anymore.

   



GreatBriton @ Tue May 03, 2005 1:59 am

The EU will NEVER be an economic superpower. It is already dead on its knees. With one of the most sluggish economies in the world, and is the sickman of the world, the EU will never amount to much.

The US and China will both have larger economies than the EU during the course of the next 50 years or so, and maybe even India, and Britain will soon be the only European country to still be a member of the G7.

   



GreatBriton @ Tue May 03, 2005 2:02 am

jadeofthenorth jadeofthenorth:
This is probably bad news. The Chinese government condones and even carries out millions of acts that violate human rights. Maybe the properity will encourage change, but its doubtful.


Yeah, I agree, but the French and the Germans (therefore the EU) are big allies of the Chinese and do military exercises with them, and they even want to sell weapons to the Chinese, obviously knowing too well that the Chinese could give some of those weapons to their pals the North Koreans to use against the Americans.

However, Britain has done the right thing and said it won't sell weapons to China, and the French and Germans aren't too happy about it.

   



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