Why Are We Rescuing These "Canadians?"
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Tman1 @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:28 pm
Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
Yes, I am running away... ha ha.. (I just can't do flame wars). U.S. should not be called for responding slowly. We are active, but we are not going to give all the details, that would benefit the enemy. We would land troops to protect American citizens, if we had to. I am sure that we have folks on the ground around there, as do the Brits and Canadians. But no sense in advertising the fact. You will have to restate your question for me if I haven't answered it. Rock on, bro.
Translation: "Even though I quoted you in context and made it seem like I was referring to you because of my idiocy, I was actually referring to that whiney bitch Nancy Pelosi. I apologize if I made it seem like you were the one who had Hezbolla friends. I am ignorant."
Rock on, bro.
EyeBrock @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:31 pm
Robair Robair:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I think its a pretty big issue Robair. When a citizen of this country tells us on TV that they support Hezbollah.
I think it's a pretty big issue EyeBrock. When a citizen of this country loses eight family members. What they said is that they are not affiliated with Hezbollah. Go read it, it's there. They also said that Hezbollah provided protection for the area which is probably how it a appeared to anybody who grew up in that mess.EyeBrock EyeBrock:
It may seem like an insignificant fact to you but people supporting Islamic terror groups should not be in this country and I believe these 'two words' as you put ,it are pretty big words to gloss over, but then I suppose you've never lived under terrorist threat or been exposed to what terrorists do.
Once again, they went out of their way to state that they have nothing to do with Hezbollah. They lived in the area and understandably don't see Hezbollah as the enemy.EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I on the other hand was in Beruit in 1982. I was in Cyprus when the remnants of 200 plus USMC members were brought back in body bags and I've lived through IRA bombings and seen friends killed by terrorists. Those 'two words' are a pretty big deal to me.
Well maybe try reading the rest of the words. Top to bottom left to right, group of words is called a sentance, group of sentances a paragraph etc etc.EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Don't be an apologist for terrorists within our country old chap.
That's a bad thing in case you need that fact to be pointed out to you.
I'm not and no shit. You are still taking two words out of a statement made by somebody who was at the time grieving the loss of eight family members and using it to justify leaving Canadians in the middle of a fight between Hezbollah and Isreal.That's a bad thing in case you need that fact to be pointed out to you.
Bollocks, her exact words were:
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Ms. Akhras accused the Canadian media and Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, of twisting the truth about the conflict and the role of Hezbollah, which Canada has listed as a terrorist organization. "Hezbollah is our protector," she said.
I'm very sympathetic to her loss, but it does not excuse her espousing the virtues of Hezbollah.
Those words were obviously heartfelt and telling.
The family was at an anti-Israeli rally in Montreal when they got the tragic news.
I don't think I need to say more.
Pick your side Robair, is it the Terrorists and their sympathisers or is it the democracy surrounded by hostile states fighting for it's survival?
I think its a pretty easy choice.
hamiltonguyo @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:31 pm
Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:
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GunPlumber
MCB,
It may interest you to know that 6 of the 8 CANADIANS KILLED BY THE ISRAELIS, were members of the same family and this was their first trip to Lebanon.
MCB,
It may interest you to know that 6 of the 8 CANADIANS KILLED BY THE ISRAELIS, were members of the same family and this was their first trip to Lebanon.
It's always sad when innocents die. Hey, here's a question. How many innocents were killed by the Hezbollah rockets that landed in Haifa the day before that happened?
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Very racist of you
Yawn. All lefties and red tories accuse those who disagree with them of being "racists." Go sell that shit somewhere else because I'm bored.
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Or are you just trying to justify Israeli babarism?
Like that incredibly "barbarous" act where Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, only to be subject to rocket attacks the minute they did so. Is that the kind of "barbarism" you're talking about?
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The father of this family, who fled the last Israeli war against Lebanon 26 years ago, was unable to go on the trip because he was busy running a successful pharmacy in Montreal.
Maybe you could explain to me why this proud Canadian family are now describing their dead relatives as "Martyrs."
It's funny. I remember reading about the sinking of passenger ferries in the Gulf of St Lawrence during World War 2 by German U-Boats. Yet I can't recall the families of those dead Canadian civilians refering to the victims of those atrocities as "Martyrs."
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Maybe you can make a trip up there and explain to him how his murdered children weren't real Canadians?
Is this the part where you're going to tell me how you served on an un-eventful peacekeeping tour in the Golan Heights back in 1985 and as a result, you have a special insight into the conflict?
As if the fact you spent six months changing the sears on FN's and SMG's in a secure base camp, in a pacified part of the world, under a blue beret, indicates you're possessed of some particular insight.
Guess what? I'm not impressed.
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By the way, protesting the genocidal behavior of an outlaw state,and our government's support for their latest atrocities, does not require you to be a citizen of that states latest victim.
Israel is the only responsible, democratic, pluralistic state in the entire Middle East. I, as a real Tory, am quite proud that we have a Prime Minister whose willing to acknowledge that. Calling Israel an "Outlaw State" is a stretch. Even for a red tory (dead tory) anti-semite such as yourself.
Don't worry though Gunplumber. Your opinion may have held sway in this country at one time. But Red Toryism died with Dalton Camp.
We're living in a big, bad, new world these days. You and Joe Clark can go fishing. Leave the big decisions to us big boys in the real Tory Party!
If Red Tories were so anti-israel then why did Joe Clark advocate moving the embassey to Jerusalem?
hamiltonguyo @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:39 pm
Scape Scape:
Yeah right, they just told Condi to shove it. Israel tells the US what to, not the other way around.
and yet lebanon's special emissary to the UN said that Condi should shove it live on CNN
Ruxpercnd @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:43 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
Yes, I am running away... ha ha.. (I just can't do flame wars). U.S. should not be called for responding slowly. We are active, but we are not going to give all the details, that would benefit the enemy. We would land troops to protect American citizens, if we had to. I am sure that we have folks on the ground around there, as do the Brits and Canadians. But no sense in advertising the fact. You will have to restate your question for me if I haven't answered it. Rock on, bro.
Translation: "Even though I quoted you in context and made it seem like I was referring to you because of my idiocy, I was actually referring to that whiney bitch Nancy Pelosi. I apologize if I made it seem like you were the one who had Hezbolla friends. I am ignorant."
Rock on, bro.
Yes, I think you finally got it! Close enough.
Robair @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:18 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Bollocks, her exact words were:
Ms. Akhras accused the Canadian media and Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, of twisting the truth about the conflict and the role of Hezbollah, which Canada has listed as a terrorist organization. "Hezbollah is our protector," she said.
Yes, EyeBrock, I am well aware of the line in the article you are hung up on. But you'll recall I suggested you read the rest of the article, if you did you would have read this:Ms. Akhras accused the Canadian media and Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, of twisting the truth about the conflict and the role of Hezbollah, which Canada has listed as a terrorist organization. "Hezbollah is our protector," she said.
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He said his family had no connection at all to the group. "They have nothing to do [with them] because my family lives here, and my aunts and uncles don't have any relationship with Hezbollah," he said. He said his family was targeted simply for being Lebanese.
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I'm very sympathetic to her loss, but it does not excuse her espousing the virtues of Hezbollah.
Those words were obviously heartfelt and telling.
The family was at an anti-Israeli rally in Montreal when they got the tragic news.
I don't think I need to say more.
Pick your side Robair, is it the Terrorists and their sympathisers or is it the democracy surrounded by hostile states fighting for it's survival?
I think its a pretty easy choice.
Funny thing about me picking sides, when fights break out I've generally been the one getting in the middle, holding both parties back and calming them down (or trying to).
Those words were obviously heartfelt and telling.
The family was at an anti-Israeli rally in Montreal when they got the tragic news.
I don't think I need to say more.
Pick your side Robair, is it the Terrorists and their sympathisers or is it the democracy surrounded by hostile states fighting for it's survival?
I think its a pretty easy choice.
Picking a side ain't the issue. Getting Canadians the hell out of the way of a fight they are not fighting, is.
Send the boats and get them out of there. You are not changing my mind on that, it is the right thing to do.
Tman1 @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:25 pm
Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
Tman1 Tman1:
Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
Yes, I am running away... ha ha.. (I just can't do flame wars). U.S. should not be called for responding slowly. We are active, but we are not going to give all the details, that would benefit the enemy. We would land troops to protect American citizens, if we had to. I am sure that we have folks on the ground around there, as do the Brits and Canadians. But no sense in advertising the fact. You will have to restate your question for me if I haven't answered it. Rock on, bro.
Translation: "Even though I quoted you in context and made it seem like I was referring to you because of my idiocy, I was actually referring to that whiney bitch Nancy Pelosi. I apologize if I made it seem like you were the one who had Hezbolla friends. I am ignorant."
Rock on, bro.
Yes, I think you finally got it! Close enough.
No, I got it right away but instead chose to see you fumble and stumble, dodge and weave and feigning ignorance from answering a simple question. Mission accomplished. Sad you need someone to translate your garbage which you refuse to do yourself.
P.S - Apology accepted.
EyeBrock @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:34 pm
Robair Robair:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Bollocks, her exact words were:
Ms. Akhras accused the Canadian media and Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, of twisting the truth about the conflict and the role of Hezbollah, which Canada has listed as a terrorist organization. "Hezbollah is our protector," she said.
Yes, EyeBrock, I am well aware of the line in the article you are hung up on. But you'll recall I suggested you read the rest of the article, if you did you would have read this:Ms. Akhras accused the Canadian media and Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, of twisting the truth about the conflict and the role of Hezbollah, which Canada has listed as a terrorist organization. "Hezbollah is our protector," she said.
$1:
He said his family had no connection at all to the group. "They have nothing to do [with them] because my family lives here, and my aunts and uncles don't have any relationship with Hezbollah," he said. He said his family was targeted simply for being Lebanese.
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I'm very sympathetic to her loss, but it does not excuse her espousing the virtues of Hezbollah.
Those words were obviously heartfelt and telling.
The family was at an anti-Israeli rally in Montreal when they got the tragic news.
I don't think I need to say more.
Pick your side Robair, is it the Terrorists and their sympathisers or is it the democracy surrounded by hostile states fighting for it's survival?
I think its a pretty easy choice.
Funny thing about me picking sides, when fights break out I've generally been the one getting in the middle, holding both parties back and calming them down (or trying to).Those words were obviously heartfelt and telling.
The family was at an anti-Israeli rally in Montreal when they got the tragic news.
I don't think I need to say more.
Pick your side Robair, is it the Terrorists and their sympathisers or is it the democracy surrounded by hostile states fighting for it's survival?
I think its a pretty easy choice.
Picking a side ain't the issue. Getting Canadians the hell out of the way of a fight they are not fighting, is.
Send the boats and get them out of there. You are not changing my mind on that, it is the right thing to do.
If you read my earlier posts you will have seen I'm all for getting the 50,000 Canadians out. I'm just not sure how "Canadian" they all are but that is another debate.
I read the whole article but the four (yes I counted them!) words Ms. Akhras uttered are the ones that made me take notice.
"Hezbollah is our protector"
You need to pick a side old chum. Standing on that fence is bad for you.
Whatever you say about the uncle doing a bit of back pedalling, Ms Akhras let the cat out of the bag, the poster family that the media dragged out to demonize Israel are Hezbollah supporters.
The family in Montreal attended an anti-Israeli rally. I think that kind of says which side of the fence they are on.
I remember Chretien personally intervening to get Khadr senior out of Pakistani custody. I'm sure everybody thought he was a good chap too.
Pick a side. Canada has in two world wars, Korea and now Afghanistan.
Hezbollah started all this, stop apologising for them.
Scape @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:12 pm
Pick a side between bad and worse? How about neither.
Robair @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:20 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
If you read my earlier posts you will have seen I'm all for getting the 50,000 Canadians out.
Oh? My bad. I thought you were right in step with Bart and Tricycle.EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Hezbollah started all this, stop apologising for them.
Kindly point out when I did that.
I may have apoligized for the woman who just lost all her kids and other assorted relatives, but I certainly don't agree with Hezbollah's views or actions.
I also don't see how we can tell Hezbollah to stop firing rockets when there's an Isrealy general saying they've got at least a week of shelling left to do before the problem areas are taken care of.
Like that is gonna fuckin' work.
The bullets are flying both ways.
Jaime_Souviens @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:29 pm
*ever login and see a thread you thought must die in a day has since added a half-dozen pages and wonder why people are even discussing this?*
Sure, if people are abusing naturalization, it's worth looking at, and if corrections need to be made, than make them.
But once bullets are flying, that's not time to be asking questions, that's the time you grab all your own and head for safety.
You could have a guy named Wayne who's got Canadian family back three centuries who absolutely hates Canada and who moved to Lebanon to get away from Canada. But if he has Canadian papers, you take him.
In fact, it looks bad for the country to leave any of your own behind, even if they want to stay. It just looks bad. "Oh, those Canadians, they left 200 of their own in danger, don't they care about their own people?"
If you don't leave a dead body on a battlefield, you don't leave a live civilian, either.
Scape @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:04 pm
Now that this is in full swing does anyone see any credibility to international troops being placed between the two combatants? Offers have been made but it takes two to tango and as long as Israel says no (and they have) this situation will be never ending.
I cut Hezbollah zero slack for its reckless and dogged behavior. Act like an animal then be treated as such but an entire nation is being collectively punished and the government of Lebanon or even Syria for that matter have little credibility to rule within the halls of their own cabinets let alone the people. I have zero faith that left to their own devices they will ever be able to assert anything but the most fleeting facade of control over their own affairs. They will always be reacting from crisis to crisis by some minor cabal of malcontents rather than in firm control of their countries fate.
Still Israel smashing Hezbollah and in the process anything around them in to a smoking crater is too blunt a weapon of power to be effective for very long. As I have stated there has been serious and recent offers for an international presence between the combatants. To me this is not a perfect solution but a buffer at this point (after Israel has a few weeks to get it more aggressive tendencies an opportunity for a good venting) should be seriously pursued by the major players (US, EU, China and Russia) to put a stop to unsettling nature of such conflicts.
SJ-24 @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:13 pm
Scape Scape:
Now that this is in full swing does anyone see any credibility to international troops being placed between the two combatants? Offers have been made but it takes two to tango and as long as Israel says no (and they have) this situation will be never ending.
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The Middle East is full of hatred and we should stay the fuck out of it. If I was to send anything over to them it would be a 50 kilo ton warhead let them decide who pulls the det-cord initiator... These assholes need to fix their issues and by letting them fight it out to the very ugly end, we are saving the lives of people that needn't be there. The fact we have troops in the shooting gallery of Afghanistan is more than enough. Let the USA be the fucking heros. We Canadians need to stay here and cool the beer! You can't drink beer if you're dead.
Scape @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:50 pm
Every time they go at it the price of gas jumps. It's like a political dynamo down there if they were kept separate it wouldn't be as intense. A DMZ patrolled by a neutral party that Lebanon/Syria and Israeli could both agree with. Why not the EU or China step up for once? In exchange for that the nation that put the troops there should be compensated by greater access to resources at cheaper rates. Idealistic? Yes, most certainly, but we should not overlook this opportunity at getting major powers involved to create a more stable world.
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