A cold war with USA and China, which will Canada help?
I think Canada should help the Chinese, because my country is going to get raped, and after they do that they will slaughter your country too.
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
China VS USA
No of active troops
China - 2,255,000
USA - 1,426,000
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Reserve troops
China - 800,000
USA - 825,000
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No of tanks
China - 8580
USA - 7650
-----------------
NAVIES
China - 0 aircraft carriers, 0 cruisers, 29 destroyers, 47 frigates, 70 corvettes, 6 nuclear submarines, 25 submarines
USA - 11 aircraft carriers, 22 cruisers, 49 destroyers, 30 frigates, 0 corvettes, 72 nuclers submarines, 0 submarines
-------------------
Fighter aircraft
China - 140
USA - 320
You're assuming parity in capabilities here and there is no parity in capability between US forces and Chinese forces.
China's millions of soldiers would be so many meat waffles after the concentrated air attacks got done with them. And before you get lathered up about our air chewing up their soldiers we'd have air dominance over China in short order.
For all the strength that China has, they have no means to send it anywhere and their troops are mostly in fixed positions which makes them handy targets. For all their bluster they can't even transit the Taiwan Strait.
The USA vs. China would be a very short engagement.
We'd hit their nukes, sink their subs, zap their satellites, hit their command capabilities and all of that would be day one.
After that we'd get
serious.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
China VS USA
No of active troops
China - 2,255,000
USA - 1,426,000
------------------------
Reserve troops
China - 800,000
USA - 825,000
--------------------
No of tanks
China - 8580
USA - 7650
-----------------
NAVIES
China - 0 aircraft carriers, 0 cruisers, 29 destroyers, 47 frigates, 70 corvettes, 6 nuclear submarines, 25 submarines
USA - 11 aircraft carriers, 22 cruisers, 49 destroyers, 30 frigates, 0 corvettes, 72 nuclers submarines, 0 submarines
-------------------
Fighter aircraft
China - 140
USA - 320
You're assuming parity in capabilities here and there is no parity in capability between US forces and Chinese forces.
China's millions of soldiers would be so many meat waffles after the concentrated air attacks got done with them. And before you get lathered up about our air chewing up their soldiers we'd have air dominance over China in short order.
For all the strength that China has, they have no means to send it anywhere and their troops are mostly in fixed positions which makes them handy targets. For all their bluster they can't even transit the Taiwan Strait.
The USA vs. China would be a very short engagement. We'd hit their nukes, sink their subs, zap their satellites, hit their command capabilities and all of that would be day one.
After that we'd get
serious.

and where have I heard that before........ROFLMFAO
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
and where have I heard that before........ROFLMFAO
Well, losers like yourself said the US would have 15,000 to 25,000 casualties in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and then we blew through the Iraqi military like sh*t through a goose.
When it comes to war, no one is better at it than we are. This police action nonsense in Iraq is not what the military is about and my frustration in soldiers being assigned to police duties pisses me off to no end.
So far as China goes, their doctrines were and mostly are the same as what Iraq had going into 2003 and the summary defeat of the Iraqis humbled the PLA quite a bit.
And as to your laughter there were a lot of Iraqis laughing at how they were going to slaughter the American and allied invaders in 'The Mother of All Wars' - and they're mostly dead or in prison now.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
and where have I heard that before........ROFLMFAO
Well, losers like yourself said the US would have 15,000 to 25,000 casualties in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and then we blew through the Iraqi military like sh*t through a goose.
When it comes to war, no one is better at it than we are. This police action nonsense in Iraq is not what the military is about and my frustration in soldiers being assigned to police duties pisses me off to no end.
So far as China goes, their doctrines were and mostly are the same as what Iraq had going into 2003 and the summary defeat of the Iraqis humbled the PLA quite a bit.
And as to your laughter there were a lot of Iraqis laughing at how they were going to slaughter the American and allied invaders in 'The Mother of All Wars' - and they're mostly dead or in prison now.

Police action? Is that all it is now? WHy is it your "illustrious" president wants to send so many more troops over there then?
Basically, bullshit.... once again you morons are stuck in a quagmire. One that was pointed out to you way back when..... "Another Vietnam" was proclaimed and the "war hawks" yelled back "B.S." Yet that is exactley the hole you have all dug for yourselves.
Basically....you reap what you sow.
stratos @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:03 pm
$1:
Police action? Is that all it is now? WHy is it your "illustrious" president wants to send so many more troops over there then?
Basically, bullshit.... once again you morons are stuck in a quagmire. One that was pointed out to you way back when..... "Another Vietnam" was proclaimed and the "war hawks" yelled back "B.S." Yet that is exactley the hole you have all dug for yourselves.
Basically....you reap what you sow.
What is your problem with America you from day one here on CKA have been anti american and conseritive did someone deny you something? Some American tell you NO and you got all upset? Man your so full of hate that no one seems to be able to have a discussion with you with out you blowing up. IF they agree with you totaly your all nice outside of that you become a total jerk. So what exactly is your problem?
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Police action? Is that all it is now? WHy is it your "illustrious" president wants to send so many more troops over there then?
Basically, bullshit.... once again you morons are stuck in a quagmire. One that was pointed out to you way back when..... "Another Vietnam" was proclaimed and the "war hawks" yelled back "B.S." Yet that is exactley the hole you have all dug for yourselves.
Basically....you reap what you sow.
Your ignorance of the military is showing. Also, have you ever considered consulting a thesaurus for a more original form of 'basically'?
stratos @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:06 pm
Bart its realy no use. On another thread we were just jokeing around about how easy it is to raise kids. Everyone having a good time and gerryhut comes in and starts mouthing off.
He's so full of hate he cant even relax for a moment and try to enjoy something. He just has to go off and be a jerk.
stratos stratos:
Bart its realy no use. On another thread we were just jokeing around about how easy it is to raise kids. Everyone having a good time and gerryhut comes in and starts mouthing off.

He's so full of hate he cant even relax for a moment and try to enjoy something. He just has to go off and be a jerk.
To borrow his own comment, "You reap what you sow."
If he's like this in real life he's no doubt a very lonely person.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Police action? Is that all it is now? WHy is it your "illustrious" president wants to send so many more troops over there then?
Basically, bullshit.... once again you morons are stuck in a quagmire. One that was pointed out to you way back when..... "Another Vietnam" was proclaimed and the "war hawks" yelled back "B.S." Yet that is exactley the hole you have all dug for yourselves.
Basically....you reap what you sow.
Your ignorance of the military is showing. Also, have you ever considered consulting a thesaurus for a more original form of 'basically'?
My ignorance of the military? I know exactley what the military, especially the american military, is used for. It is used for the exploitation of weaker countries for the betterment of stronger countries. It is an extension of the "school yard bullies" repertory". It is a killing machine, with no regard to age or gender.
stratos @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:13 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Police action? Is that all it is now? WHy is it your "illustrious" president wants to send so many more troops over there then?
Basically, bullshit.... once again you morons are stuck in a quagmire. One that was pointed out to you way back when..... "Another Vietnam" was proclaimed and the "war hawks" yelled back "B.S." Yet that is exactley the hole you have all dug for yourselves.
Basically....you reap what you sow.
Your ignorance of the military is showing. Also, have you ever considered consulting a thesaurus for a more original form of 'basically'?
My ignorance of the military? I know exactley what the military, especially the american military, is used for. It is used for the exploitation of weaker countries for the betterment of stronger countries. It is an extension of the "school yard bullies" repertory". It is a killing machine, with no regard to age or gender.

and thus my point is proven.
stratos @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:14 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
stratos stratos:
Bart its realy no use. On another thread we were just jokeing around about how easy it is to raise kids. Everyone having a good time and gerryhut comes in and starts mouthing off.

He's so full of hate he cant even relax for a moment and try to enjoy something. He just has to go off and be a jerk.
To borrow his own comment, "You reap what you sow."
If he's like this in real life he's no doubt a very lonely person.
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Police action? Is that all it is now? WHy is it your "illustrious" president wants to send so many more troops over there then?
Basically, bullshit.... once again you morons are stuck in a quagmire. One that was pointed out to you way back when..... "Another Vietnam" was proclaimed and the "war hawks" yelled back "B.S." Yet that is exactley the hole you have all dug for yourselves.
Basically....you reap what you sow.
Your ignorance of the military is showing. Also, have you ever considered consulting a thesaurus for a more original form of 'basically'?
My ignorance of the military? I know exactley what the military, especially the american military, is used for. It is used for the exploitation of weaker countries for the betterment of stronger countries. It is an extension of the "school yard bullies" repertory". It is a killing machine, with no regard to age or gender.
Thank you for proving my point.
$1:
The only reason, and this goes back to my first post, is if they launch an aggressive war on one of more neighbouring countries, which could precipitate WW3. Canada won't get involved in a border skirmish with say, Vietnam, but a full scale invasion of Taiwan or something similar would cause a reaction from Canada.
I highly doubt that Canadians would support a preemptive strike/invasion of China, much in the same way the majority of Canadians were against going into Iraq.
Well China would be very stupid as of right now to invade Taiwan or send forces there. I really doubt they are going to do anything that aggressive. I think the best thing to solve Taiwan would be a referendum whether they want to stay with China or become independent. Even though China doesn’t want this we should push for it to happen and counter them by saying if they are really the people republic why not let the people decide what they want? Sure China will grumble and possibly start hurting economic relations but I don’t think they will engage in warfare especially against American forces in the region. Also if Taiwan does vote to stay with China we are going to have to respect that and maintain order in the country.
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
Also if Taiwan does vote to stay with China we are going to have to respect that and maintain order in the country.
Absolutely. I just don't see the free people of Taiwan inviting the slavemasters of Beijing to come into Taiwan and execute a bunch of them for standing up to Communist domination for the past sixty years. *If* Taiwan votes to reunify it will be after mainland China becomes a democracy, and even then, they may still choose full independence once the threat of Communist aggression is past.