A good example why the registry law is wrong
Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:40 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Which is arguable. The question here is why didn't they start by having a social worker pay the family a call to make sure everything was okay instead of staging a late night commando raid?"
That's EXACTLY my point. If they didn't know he had guns, that would have been a visit from the law enforcement forces. To clarify all that.
Now, what happened is that in a matter of days, they sent the SWAT and even brought a bus to "rescue" the neighbours from that "dangerous owner of guns".
I agree the Facebook thing is stupid but being stupid is NOT criminal, from what I know.
Freakinoldguy @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:40 pm
Screw the gun registry. This had nothing to do with the fact that the dumbest kid in Quebec had weapons and everything to do with the fact that threats about kids killing students and teachers is taken very seriously.
My guess is that even if he didn't have registered weapons the Surete du Quebec, given the threat level would have done exactly the same thing.
Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:43 pm
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Screw the gun registry. This had nothing to do with the fact that the dumbest kid in Quebec had weapons and everything to do with the fact that threats about kids killing students and teachers is taken very seriously.
My guess is that even if he didn't have registered weapons the Surete du Quebec, given the threat level would have done exactly the same thing.
My guess is that even if he didn't have registered weapons the Surete du Quebec, given the threat level would have done exactly the same thing.
Really ?
Lemmy @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:45 pm
Being on the gun registry doesn't magically allow the police to search your home without a warrant. Where did you ever get that idea, Proc?
Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:49 pm
Lemmy Lemmy:
Being on the gun registry doesn't magically allow the police to search your home without a warrant. Where did you ever get that idea, Proc?
Just read C-68.
Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:51 pm
And I personally saw it, the police entering a home without a warrant to seize the firearms. So I guess i'm pretty right on that one.
Freakinoldguy @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:51 pm
Proculation Proculation:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Screw the gun registry. This had nothing to do with the fact that the dumbest kid in Quebec had weapons and everything to do with the fact that threats about kids killing students and teachers is taken very seriously.
My guess is that even if he didn't have registered weapons the Surete du Quebec, given the threat level would have done exactly the same thing.
My guess is that even if he didn't have registered weapons the Surete du Quebec, given the threat level would have done exactly the same thing.
Really ?
Yup.
If they'd have had any modicum of common sense they could have apprehended the kid any time he was away from his "weapons" like when he was at school, the mall or where ever, but on no, they chose to carryout a commando raid in the middle of the night so the world could see just how effective they were as a police force.
This is nothing more than a publicity stunt and has nothing to do with taking down a dangerous killer with an arsenal of weapons.
Lemmy @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:53 pm
Proculation Proculation:
Lemmy Lemmy:
Being on the gun registry doesn't magically allow the police to search your home without a warrant. Where did you ever get that idea, Proc?
Just read C-68.
No, I think you need to. C-68 doesn't give police power to perform warrantless searches. You're confused on this one, dude.
ASLplease @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:56 pm
it gives them the power to perform warrantless inspections provided that the registered own is given adequate notice. and its to my understanding that the nature of the notice is not clarified with guidelines.
Lemmy @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:59 pm
ASLplease ASLplease:
it gives them the power to perform warrantless inspections provided that the registered own is given adequate notice. and its to my understanding that the nature of the notice is not clarified with guidelines.
Yeah, and the gas company is allowed to do the same of the gas pipes and furnace in your home. That's a whole lot different than performing a warrantless search.
Public_Domain @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:03 pm
PluggyRug @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:06 pm
This is not a gun registry episode.
It's a dumb kid making threats on a public website, although a full swat team is a little over the top.
Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:38 pm
Lemmy Lemmy:
ASLplease ASLplease:
it gives them the power to perform warrantless inspections provided that the registered own is given adequate notice. and its to my understanding that the nature of the notice is not clarified with guidelines.
Yeah, and the gas company is allowed to do the same of the gas pipes and furnace in your home. That's a whole lot different than performing a warrantless search.
I agree that they cannot search for anything but it is criminal to not accept the give them entry to your house to let them look at your firearms. I call that a "warrantless search" if you want my opinion.
Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:39 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
This is not a gun registry episode.
It's a dumb kid making threats on a public website, although a full swat team is a little over the top.
It's a dumb kid making threats on a public website, although a full swat team is a little over the top.
That's my point. Contrarly to Gunnair, I think that since they knew he had 5 firearms, it made a big difference in his arrestation.
Lemmy @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:53 pm
Proculation Proculation:
I agree that they cannot search for anything but it is criminal to not accept the give them entry to your house to let them look at your firearms. I call that a "warrantless search" if you want my opinion.
And I call it reasonable to ensure the safe storage of dangerous materials. Do you agree with safety inspections of, say, chemicals stored at a business? How about Public Health inspections of restaurants?
This is all a silly debate anyway. I'm a gun owner and I know hundreds of gun owners and I don't know one person, nor have heard tale of anyone, who's had the cops come to check their firearms storage.