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A good example why the registry law is wrong

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Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:22 pm

That story shocked me. That's the best example why the registry and the C-68 law is clearly wrong and a breach to rights and freedoms:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Facebook+threat+suspect+backed+family/3617089/story.html http://www.montrealgazette.com/Facebook+threat+suspect+backed+family/3617089/story.html:
Facebook death threat suspect David Abitbol expected in court Monday

SQ finds weapons, ammunition at parents' home; suspect could face further charges


MONTREAL - Joseph and Michele Abitbol were awakened at 3 a.m. Saturday by the sudden commotion outside their Gouin Blvd. E. home of two police cars, a SWAT team and a bus, which they'd soon learn was there to ferry neighbours away from the Abitbol's 28-year-old son.

David Abitbol, who goes by the name David Darkiller on Facebook, is to appear today at the Montreal courthouse for a bail hearing, after being charged Saturday with one count of uttering death threats against former classmates and teachers, and one of improper storage of a firearm -meaning Abitbol's guns weren't locked up.

"I looked out the window and thought there must be a robber in the neighbourhood," Michele Abitbol, her voice still shaking from fear, told The Gazette.

But within seconds police were yelling at her to come out of the house, accompanied by her 72-year-old husband, Joseph.

"It's an experience I wouldn't wish on anyone," Michele Abitbol said. "I've been crying for two days."

The frightened couple obeyed and came out to at least a dozen officers -Surete du Quebec and Montreal police -who had their guns drawn. Some shined flashlights directly into their faces, they said.

An investigator then phoned the house and ordered David, who was awake and preparing a late-night snack, to come outside. When he did, they put him face-down on the ground and handcuffed him.

Family members were told not to talk to one another, Michele Abitbol said, adding she was "shaking like a leaf."

"They showed up like an army," said an exhausted Joseph Abitbol. "They went inside and searched the house and said they found a grenade, but then I showed them that it was actually a candle."

Police seized five guns, all of which were registered, said Richard Gagne, spokesman for the Surete du Quebec.

More charges may be laid today.

The Abitbols were adamant yesterday that their son, who attended Calixa Lavallee Secondary School and Ahuntsic CEGEP, hasn't broken any laws.

"The police don't have anything against him except discussions on Facebook where he is role playing and saying I'll kill so-and-so, he'll kill so-and-so," his mother said. "These are all virtual games that he plays to relax."

Her son, she said, belonged to a shooting club for the last five or six years where he "always followed the rules" and had permits for his guns, which she said the police verified.

She and her husband knew he belonged to the club, and knew his guns were in the house.

"He is a very serious person, who liked skating, roller-blading and belonged to a dragon boat team," she said.

On his Facebook page, Abitbol lists his favourite quotation as "death is the only solution." Two websites he says he likes are "GUNS!!!", a site for "people who like guns" that has close to 4,000 fans and "Sniper", a site for sharpshooters. He also lists war games, such as Empire Craft and Kingdoms of Camelot.

He also plays popular online games like Fishville, which is described as "an addictive game where you raise cute baby fish, feed them as they grow, and decorate your fish tanks with friends!" and Petville, a game "where you raise, dress and care for a pet that you create."

The game that appears on a regular basis on his Facebook page up until the end of August is World at War.

His mother said her only child worked for six years at a printing company, was unemployed for about four months, but has been back at work at a printer regularly since January.

Yesterday, as news broke of his arrest, friends began posting messages of support on his Facebook page.

One said that his only fault was that he was always exaggerating and kidding around.

"You're good at online games but you'd never kill a fly," a woman said. "Your passion for guns and the shooting club is your life.

"Poor David! Stay strong!" His parents said they spoke

to him twice from Rivieres des Prairies detention centre, where he has been held since his arrest.

"He doesn't understand why this is happening," Michele Abitbol said. "He said he explained everything to the police."

She brushed off suggestions that police may have reacted because of the similarities to Dawson College shooter Kimveer Gill, who also liked online games, owned guns and belonged to a shooting club.

"We support our son and will be there (today) in court," she said.

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At the moment, my facebook profile picture is me, with a rifle, wearing hunting outfit. I also say "I hope I will kill some next week".

I removed all that. That story scares me I could end up in jail.

That incident should have happened 2 weeks ago, before the vote.

   



hurley_108 @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:37 pm

What does this have to do with C-68? This is a "don't be stupid on Facebook" issue, not a gun registry issue.

   



Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:40 pm

Because C-68 gives the kind of power to arrest and seize like that, without a warrant.

Maybe this guy was dangerous but that's not the way to proceed. You have to build a case and get a warrant.

   



NewfieBullet @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:43 pm

Kinda makes me wonder if the Cops come looking for me will they be outside with guns drawn pointing a light at night. Not that they would be looking for me but I do own registered guns.

This is defiantly a scenario that could play out in any residence if the cops have a legal right to do it. Not sure they do.

But of course you have 2 watch what you say these days. Face book is a disease and people take very lightly what they post. DOWN WITH FACE BOOK lol.

Hope someone can dig up when this would be acceptable under the law. I mean can they just do this with any legal gun owner ?

   



Proculation @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:49 pm

NewfieBullet NewfieBullet:
Kinda makes me wonder if the Cops come looking for me will they be outside with guns drawn pointing a light at night. Not that they would be looking for me but I do own registered guns.

This is defiantly a scenario that could play out in any residence if the cops have a legal right to do it. Not sure they do.

But of course you have 2 watch what you say these days. Face book is a disease and people take very lightly what they post. DOWN WITH FACE BOOK lol.

Hope someone can dig up when this would be acceptable under the law. I mean can they just do this with any legal gun owner ?


They already can, with C-68.
They do not need a warrant to search and seize. If they have a 'tip' that you 'may' be violent, they can do just that and it's YOU who have to prove that it's not true.

   



sandorski @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:37 pm

Proculation Proculation:
Because C-68 gives the kind of power to arrest and seize like that, without a warrant.

Maybe this guy was dangerous but that's not the way to proceed. You have to build a case and get a warrant.


What? They were there due to the Threat on Facebook, not because the guy had Guns.

   



Dragom @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:41 pm

And this is why you should never update your facebook account. Your just playing with fire.

   



Gunnair @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:42 pm

Proculation Proculation:
Because C-68 gives the kind of power to arrest and seize like that, without a warrant.

Maybe this guy was dangerous but that's not the way to proceed. You have to build a case and get a warrant.


They obviously had a reasonable suspicion that he was dangerous. Add to that fact was that he owned several weapons.

Sounds like the registry did its job. Secondly, as Hurley said, don't be a fucktard on Facebook threatening people when you also have registered weapons. That's a recipe for a visit from law enforement.

   



hurley_108 @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:05 pm

Gunnair Gunnair:
Proculation Proculation:
Because C-68 gives the kind of power to arrest and seize like that, without a warrant.

Maybe this guy was dangerous but that's not the way to proceed. You have to build a case and get a warrant.


They obviously had a reasonable suspicion that he was dangerous. Add to that fact was that he owned several weapons.

Sounds like the registry did its job. Secondly, as Hurley said, don't be a fucktard on Facebook threatening people when you also have registered weapons. That's a recipe for a visit from law enforement.


I'm shocked the weapons registered were actually in the home. After all, they could be anywhere but at the registered address as we were told countless times by the anti-registry growd.

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:40 pm

Dragom Dragom:
And this is why you should never HAVE A facebook account. Your just playing with fire.


Corrected that for ya. [B-o]

   



Public_Domain @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:45 pm

:|

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:46 pm

Gunnair Gunnair:
They obviously had a reasonable suspicion that he was dangerous.


Which is arguable. The question here is why didn't they start by having a social worker pay the family a call to make sure everything was okay instead of staging a late night commando raid? Had the family not been awake at the time the police arrived I can guarantee you that what was next up was a "dynamic entry" complete with flash-bang 'nades and, likely, someone was going to get shot. Lucky for the family they were awake.

Gunnair Gunnair:
Add to that fact was that he owned several weapons.


Which is utterly irrelevent. He can only use one at a time.

Gunnair Gunnair:
Sounds like the registry did its job. Secondly, as Hurley said, don't be a fucktard on Facebook threatening people when you also have registered weapons. That's a recipe for a visit from law enforement.


And, absent the registry, another internet hero would continue to live out his unremarkable life in mom's basement. All that's happened here is that family should count their lucky stars they weren't slaughtered by the cops because their kid's an idiot on the net. Shoot, if net idiocy is all it takes to justify a raid by the cops in Canada then a good 75% of the posters on this site had better start behaving themselves. :idea:

   



fifeboy @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:08 pm

Wow, Man makes threats, Man is known to own guns. Man is arrested and guns confiscated. Wow. This is a real threat to my constitutional rights to threaten people. Wow! :roll:

   



Gunnair @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:13 pm

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
I consider this more of a police state issue.

The whole 'showed up like an army' thing... Yeah. They do that.


Might have to do with the fact that there were five firearms registered to a shitiot making threats on Facebook.

Yeah, I wonder why they showed up doing the 'army' thing... :roll:

Imagine the hue and cry if the police had ignored the reports, said it was Facebook hijinks, then the guy lost his shit and killed people.

   



Gunnair @ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:15 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Gunnair Gunnair:
They obviously had a reasonable suspicion that he was dangerous.


Which is arguable.



Maybe, but armchair policework is neither here nor there. They obviously had a reasonable suspicion and knew the guy had weapons, hence the response.

   



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