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A good example why the registry law is wrong

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Proculation @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:36 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:
ASLplease ASLplease:
You'll note that it wasnt the long gun registry that led to his arrest, it was good old fashioned police work.


Holy smokes, you guys can't get a coherent story can you? You're claiming that teh registry had nothing to do with this, Proc is claiming gross violations of rights were enabled here by the registry.

About the only thing you agree on is registry bad! Registry Baaaad! Baaaaaaaaad!

Sheep.


Sheeps are usually the mass. I think that people believing that the registry is good are sheeps, not the another way.

   



hurley_108 @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:43 pm

RUEZ RUEZ:
Imagine if this guy hadn't registered his guns. Would the police take his threats less seriously? I really can't see how the registry did any good here.


It told them there were several weapons registered to that address, and they took the threat accordingly seriously.

   



Gunnair @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:06 pm

Proculation Proculation:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
ASLplease ASLplease:
You'll note that it wasnt the long gun registry that led to his arrest, it was good old fashioned police work.


Holy smokes, you guys can't get a coherent story can you? You're claiming that teh registry had nothing to do with this, Proc is claiming gross violations of rights were enabled here by the registry.

About the only thing you agree on is registry bad! Registry Baaaad! Baaaaaaaaad!

Sheep.


Sheeps are usually the mass. I think that people believing that the registry is good are sheeps, not the another way.


You apply that logic to everything?

   



RUEZ @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:51 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:
RUEZ RUEZ:
Imagine if this guy hadn't registered his guns. Would the police take his threats less seriously? I really can't see how the registry did any good here.


It told them there were several weapons registered to that address, and they took the threat accordingly seriously.
And if he hadn't registered his guns but still owned them? I'd say the registry gives law enforcement a false sense of security. What if they hadn't taken his threat seriously and he was a loon that shot up some people. You cannot depend on a registry and it's accuracy to gauge your reaction to a potential crime.

   



hurley_108 @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:01 pm

RUEZ RUEZ:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
RUEZ RUEZ:
Imagine if this guy hadn't registered his guns. Would the police take his threats less seriously? I really can't see how the registry did any good here.


It told them there were several weapons registered to that address, and they took the threat accordingly seriously.
And if he hadn't registered his guns but still owned them? I'd say the registry gives law enforcement a false sense of security. What if they hadn't taken his threat seriously and he was a loon that shot up some people. You cannot depend on a registry and it's accuracy to gauge your reaction to a potential crime.


I'd say the registry confirms already held assumptions. This line of reasoning - that if the registry says no guns then police will assume no guns - seems to me an incredible insult to the intelligence of our police officers.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:17 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:
I'd say the registry confirms already held assumptions. This line of reasoning - that if the registry says no guns then police will assume no guns - seems to me an incredible insult to the intelligence of our police officers.


And your seeming predilection for the police to assume everyone is an armed loon is an insult to liberty.

Just who the fuck do you think cops work for anyway? They are supposed to protect the public and protect the rights of the public. Instead what's happening is if you've made the mistake of registering a firearm and then had someone accuse you of making threats then you automatically lose your rights in the name of police expediency?

Again, and let me restate; Just who the fuck do you think cops work for anyway?

If I, or anyone else, is to automatically lose my rights when it suits the police then they no longer work for me and they no longer protect me or my rights.

Instead they are become what I've repeatedly sworn to protect against.

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely; and without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter; So help me God.

Oh, and do bear in mind I'm a reserve LEO.

   



hurley_108 @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:14 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
I'd say the registry confirms already held assumptions. This line of reasoning - that if the registry says no guns then police will assume no guns - seems to me an incredible insult to the intelligence of our police officers.


And your seeming predilection for the police to assume everyone is an armed loon is an insult to liberty.

Just who the fuck do you think cops work for anyway? They are supposed to protect the public and protect the rights of the public. Instead what's happening is if you've made the mistake of registering a firearm and then had someone accuse you of making threats then you automatically lose your rights in the name of police expediency?

Again, and let me restate; Just who the fuck do you think cops work for anyway?

If I, or anyone else, is to automatically lose my rights when it suits the police then they no longer work for me and they no longer protect me or my rights.

Instead they are become what I've repeatedly sworn to protect against.

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely; and without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter; So help me God.

Oh, and do bear in mind I'm a reserve LEO.


Whoo, I seem to have hit a nerve.

All I'm saying is that the only pragmatic assumption the police can make when responding to a call that there may be firearms present. To assume their absence is just not rational. The registry can confirm the former assumption, but not the latter. And to say that the police, upon checking the registry and seeing nothing will assme their absence is an affront.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:19 pm

$1:
Oh, and do bear in mind I'm a reserve LEO


Hmmm....how do you manage that. I'm a full time Sagittarius. Were you born on the cusp or something?

   



ASLplease @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:20 pm

yup, the registry is not a REALTIME Inventory System, it should never be used that way by the police otherwise some of them may end up dead wrong.

   



hurley_108 @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:24 pm

ASLplease ASLplease:
yup, the registry is not a REALTIME Inventory System, it should never be used that way by the police otherwise some of them may end up dead wrong.


Which is why I'm so amazed that out of ALL the places those guns could have been, they were actually in the home they were registered to!

Assuming the house's footprint was about 1000 square feet (rough estimate), and a global surface area of 5.5x10^15 square feet, that's a 1 in 5.5 trillion chance!

   



Gunnair @ Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:37 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
I'd say the registry confirms already held assumptions. This line of reasoning - that if the registry says no guns then police will assume no guns - seems to me an incredible insult to the intelligence of our police officers.


And your seeming predilection for the police to assume everyone is an armed loon is an insult to liberty.

Just who the fuck do you think cops work for anyway? They are supposed to protect the public and protect the rights of the public. Instead what's happening is if you've made the mistake of registering a firearm and then had someone accuse you of making threats then you automatically lose your rights in the name of police expediency?

Again, and let me restate; Just who the fuck do you think cops work for anyway?

If I, or anyone else, is to automatically lose my rights when it suits the police then they no longer work for me and they no longer protect me or my rights.

Instead they are become what I've repeatedly sworn to protect against.

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely; and without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter; So help me God.

Oh, and do bear in mind I'm a reserve LEO.


Once again you are sermonizing to the wrong country.

   



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