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I think the study said that class sizes were not substantially different in both systems. I don't think there can be any doubt that having smaller class sizes, depending on what's being taught, will be a benefit. Actually private schools, with far fewer special needs students (this might include you - as in you acted up in class) could have larger classes and still show a benefit. But sure, people struggling with reading or math can use all the hands on instruction they can get. That's why tutors have become so popular now.

2.5 hours a day?

   

No, unlike you, I don't base my prejudices on race.I despise the intentionally stupid and the lazy....guess that would qualify you.

See, most people see you as nothing more than a troll and treat you as such. That's why no one really bothers in engaging you in meaningful debate. You never mean what you say and seem to have trouble saying what you mean, and then you get bitchy when people call you on the shit you type. You're a sideline only worthy of ridicule. can't think of too many people here that you haven't tried playing semantics - formal, lexical and conceptual - with. or maybe you're doing it unintentionally because you really aren't that bright.

   

Interesting article - and it appears to support what the Economist noted recently (in the US anyways) - that wealth has more to do with getting a college education than test scores do.

   

Then you were off-topic.

Here's the summary of the topic:



It's about Canada in general and (even though some would understandably deny it) Ontario remains part of Canada.

If you then wish to limit the discourse to BC you can do one of the following:

1. Open a topic on the status of education in BC.

2. Go f*ck yourself.

Either option will surely be acceptable to everyone else.

   

This whole topic is absurd.

Of course the kids who go to private schools are going to do better than the kids who go to public schools.

The kids who go to private schools do so at no small sacrifice to their families and they are motivated both by a desire to succeed and please their parents as they are by the understanding that mom and dad work hard to give them an advantage they shouldn't waste.

Public school is mandatory whether you want to be there or not.

The not-so-hidden agenda here is to ban private schools and force those kids into mediocre public schools so the teacher's union gets more teachers and more union dues and the public schools get more subsidy money from the national and provincial governments.

Let's please not pretend that the public schools actually care about education. If they did then they'd do their best to emulate the private schools and to compete with them instead of just using the power of the state to try to frustrate private schools.

   

Well, let me just say thank you. I always wondered what I was doing all those long thirty years in the classroom

   

Individual teachers may care but the system itself treats students as an afterthought.

I remember having a few teachers that really cared and I actually stayed in contact with them over the years, but I also remember administrators that didn't really give a rat fuck about the students in their district.

   

Okay. Then explain to me why people involved in public schools essentially wage war against private and charter schools if the best interests of the kids are what they have in mind?

Because if some kids get a better education in the private schools and the charter schools then why oppose those schools?

   

In BC there's the fear of a two-tier education system. Everyone that can afford it sends their kids to private schools, everyone that can't goes to public schools. Not a good situation.

Take the school strike in BC last year. Our premier sends her kid to a private school. She didn't have to take days off work adn worry about the education her kid was missing.

With widely used public schools everyone gets the same start, the same building blocks, the same opportunity. In theory anyways. There is room in my diistrict for some entrepreneurialism, as different schools in the district can spcialize. So one school is geared for elite athletes, who travel a lot and need a lot of training time. Another is nature oriented. Another is more artsy. Parents can sign up for whatever shcool they want in their district; they don't have to go to the nearest one.

   

I'm sorry, but so f*cking what? Everyone who can afford it lives in a nice house overlooking Oak Bay and they drive a Bentley and they eat lunch at the Bengal Room of the Empress every day. Plenty of other people make do with lunch at Wet Spot or Timmie's and they ride the bus. WTF is money for if not to improve one's station in life?

I'm all for equal opportunity but this insistence on equal outcomes is utter and complete bullshit.



I'd expect your Premier, of all people, to best appreciate the myriad reasons to avoid public education. Smart lady. Even smarter mother.



Or they get shortchanged and screwed the same.



Good, your public schools are making some moves to compete. Do you think they'd be doing this if they didn't have the private schools making them look bad by giving kids a better education for less than half the price?

   

I have no love for the wealthy at all but I'm pretty certain that the public school system would have just as many pathologies and inherent failures in it even if private schools didn't exist. It's not a money problem. It's a problem of the public system not living up to it's original mission statement, mostly because instead of providing a basic education as the first step in a person's life, it's been sidetracked too often by bad education theories, hyper-politicized left-wing curriculum, union shenanigans, a tolerance for bad behaviour by students, and by too many politicians and their endless trick-fuckery. One of the worst things it's been doing since the 1970's at least has been downgrading introductory classes in the trades and concentrating far too much on the belief that everyone is capable of going onto a professional career via university. They all aren't, and it's incredibly destructive to operate the entire system under this assumption. To paraphrase Einstein, the best way to encourage a child to believe that he/she is an idiot is to force on them an education they're unsuited for instead of training them with one that will allow them to thrive. Why take a mechanical genius and ruin his life for him by telling him that becoming a mechanic, or welder, or carpenter isn't good enough, and that he'll be a complete failure in his entire life unless he gets a university degree? It's so wrong on every level to do this to any kid that it ought to be a punishable crime when it happens.

How about concentrating more on what public schools are doing wrong, and working to logically fix it, instead of making private schools the bugbear for every problem that comes along? The wealthy are going to go to private schools period, even if they have to leave the country to do so. No amount of caterwauling is going to prevent that from happening.

   

Ontario remains part of Canada.

It's one third of Canada and its heartland. Curiously, it is the only part of Canada that would form a healthy, viable country on its own.

Not much a an Ontario separatist movement about, tho. No one here is particularly angry nor do Ontarian feel victimized.

   

Well I would argue that a decent education is equal opportunity. And I think the result of this study (showing not much difference between public and private schools) shows we are meeting the goal of equal opportunity.




Good point.

Remember Afghanistan. After all those years there, we discovered two things that were more effective than chasing down insurgents in the deserts. One was public education. Particuarly for girls. Just making them aware of the workd around them so they were immunized, to some extent, from the BS spread by the Talibani. (The other was the realization that--surprise, surprise--people are pretty much the same all over and a lot of Afghans preferred a stable cheque from the Army to feed their families than 72 virgins in heaven or whatever it was.)

   

Ontarion might as well go for broke and form their own country because they already have a public debt the same size, or greater, as that of most First World nation-states.

   

And with Wynnes latest stupid move about upping the airport fuel tax, thus creating expansion in small airports in the US states bordering Ontario, she's aiming to increase the job migration out of Ontario.

   

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