Restaurant chain owner lobbies for increased minimum wage
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Brenda @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:00 pm
Regardless of your wrong assumption, do you think only people who actually have run a bisnis are qualified to reply to the topic? Which is raising minimum wage.
Because if that is so, then you might want to shut up as well as BC has just raised minimum wage in the past couple of years, and in my neck of the woods, not many companies went bankrupt due to that. Or more, none. Walmart still exists, the mom and pop shops still have the employees they used to have, the hotels here have not fired people because the minimum wage was raised...
Hell didn't even freeze over!
Public_Domain @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:17 pm
Yogi @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:35 pm
So many different directions I can head in here. So I'll just try to keep my reply simple. This afternoon I was informed that I cannot-for the foreseeable future-continue in my chosen & trained/learned/educated field as it requires a fair amount of sometimes stressful physical activity. Boots already alluded to the amount of time and effort involved in achieving the recognized status 'Skilled Tradesman'.
Yes, I have enough money to meet my day to day expenses, but with money continually going out, and none coming in, slowly my standard of living will decline. I WISH to have more than the 'basics of life' To that end I WISH to remain in the work force. To that end I am facing the very same obstacles faced by those working for minimum wage. I must now focus on developing a new skill-set.
I can apply for and likely be hired in a min wage job in which I have no previous experience. I will then 'earn while I learn'. At the Alberta min wage of $9.95/hr. I expect that my hrs of employ and job duties will be clearly outlined for me by my employer/supervisor; "This is what we pay. This is what we expect you to do. No less. Take it or leave it"! Assuming I accept the job+ gross wage of (for expedience sake) $400.00/wk. I do what I can with that, or because that only takes up 8 hrs out of the day, I can find a second job at the same rate of pay thus doubling my income. Not bad for having no experience in either field! Or.... I can take/keep the job that pays the most $$$, keep my personal expenses to a bare min, and then get my ass down to the nearest (240 km round trip) community college to learn a new skill set which I can put to use for the foreseeable future.. Day classes/night classes, Depends on what my new schedule involves. A 'grind' in this situation would be an understatement, but I have the 'want to' so I will find a way to make it work for me!
BartSimpson @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:51 pm
Brenda Brenda:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
You've never run a business and you don't have the first idea of how a business actually functions.
I haven't? Huh. That's news to me.$1:
I say that as a statement as you've made these conclusions abundantly obvious.
You need to learn something about running a business before you make up ideas about how you want someone else to run their business.
You need to learn something about running a business before you make up ideas about how you want someone else to run their business.
Well, my dear, you are wrong in your assumptions, so please, try again.
You've never run a business or you'd know that you don't just magically raise revenues. If anyone could just do that to solve all their problems then we wouldn't need a minimum wage in the first place now would we?
Edit: And you'd also know what controllables are and you'd understand how labor percentages work.
But you obviously don't.
BartSimpson @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:57 pm
Public_Domain Public_Domain:
Economics be damned, the question of whether the poor should get to eat shouldn't be a math equation to be pondered only by the rich.
TO THE BARRICADES!!!!
ShepherdsDog @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:03 pm
Yogi Yogi:
So many different directions I can head in here. So I'll just try to keep my reply simple. This afternoon I was informed that I cannot-for the foreseeable future-continue in my chosen & trained/learned/educated field as it requires a fair amount of sometimes stressful physical activity. Boots already alluded to the amount of time and effort involved in achieving the recognized status 'Skilled Tradesman'.
Yes, I have enough money to meet my day to day expenses, but with money continually going out, and none coming in, slowly my standard of living will decline. I WISH to have more than the 'basics of life' To that end I WISH to remain in the work force. To that end I am facing the very same obstacles faced by those working for minimum wage. I must now focus on developing a new skill-set.
I can apply for and likely be hired in a min wage job in which I have no previous experience. I will then 'earn while I learn'. At the Alberta min wage of $9.95/hr. I expect that my hrs of employ and job duties will be clearly outlined for me by my employer/supervisor; "This is what we pay. This is what we expect you to do. No less. Take it or leave it"! Assuming I accept the job+ gross wage of (for expedience sake) $400.00/wk. I do what I can with that, or because that only takes up 8 hrs out of the day, I can find a second job at the same rate of pay thus doubling my income. Not bad for having no experience in either field! Or.... I can take/keep the job that pays the most $$$, keep my personal expenses to a bare min, and then get my ass down to the nearest (240 km round trip) community college to learn a new skill set which I can put to use for the foreseeable future.. Day classes/night classes, Depends on what my new schedule involves. A 'grind' in this situation would be an understatement, but I have the 'want to' so I will find a way to make it work for me!
Yes, I have enough money to meet my day to day expenses, but with money continually going out, and none coming in, slowly my standard of living will decline. I WISH to have more than the 'basics of life' To that end I WISH to remain in the work force. To that end I am facing the very same obstacles faced by those working for minimum wage. I must now focus on developing a new skill-set.
I can apply for and likely be hired in a min wage job in which I have no previous experience. I will then 'earn while I learn'. At the Alberta min wage of $9.95/hr. I expect that my hrs of employ and job duties will be clearly outlined for me by my employer/supervisor; "This is what we pay. This is what we expect you to do. No less. Take it or leave it"! Assuming I accept the job+ gross wage of (for expedience sake) $400.00/wk. I do what I can with that, or because that only takes up 8 hrs out of the day, I can find a second job at the same rate of pay thus doubling my income. Not bad for having no experience in either field! Or.... I can take/keep the job that pays the most $$$, keep my personal expenses to a bare min, and then get my ass down to the nearest (240 km round trip) community college to learn a new skill set which I can put to use for the foreseeable future.. Day classes/night classes, Depends on what my new schedule involves. A 'grind' in this situation would be an understatement, but I have the 'want to' so I will find a way to make it work for me!
as a skilled tradesman with years of experience couldn`t you get into teaching/supervision and or consultation related to your skill set
Public_Domain @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:04 pm
Brenda @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:09 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Brenda Brenda:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
You've never run a business and you don't have the first idea of how a business actually functions.
I haven't? Huh. That's news to me.$1:
I say that as a statement as you've made these conclusions abundantly obvious.
You need to learn something about running a business before you make up ideas about how you want someone else to run their business.
You need to learn something about running a business before you make up ideas about how you want someone else to run their business.
Well, my dear, you are wrong in your assumptions, so please, try again.
You've never run a business or you'd know that you don't just magically raise revenues. If anyone could just do that to solve all their problems then we wouldn't need a minimum wage in the first place now would we?
Edit: And you'd also know what controllables are and you'd understand how labor percentages work.
But you obviously don't.
KISS.
Keep It Simple, Stupid.
Of course I know that. You also do not 'just' lay people off because the government requires you to pay them more.
If you have your people work for you for minimum wage, don't you think you are doing something wrong in the first place? If that is the only way you can afford help, and have been for the past few years?
These people, who you claim should keep working for minimum wage, have bills that go up as well. YOU don't want to pay them more to keep up with their bills. How can you expect people to be loyal? You can't. Normal households have 'controlables' as well, ya know.
We wouldn't need a minimum wage, if (especially big) employers weren't greedy bastards who don't care about a couple of people more or less, as long as the work gets done. That they underpay people who work their ass off for minimum wage, who eventually become disloyal. That the company would be better off with loyal people who actually stay a bit longer than 3 months, and you won't have to train someone else AGAIN, which is rather costly.
Public_Domain @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:12 pm
Brenda @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:22 pm
Yogi Yogi:
I can apply for and likely be hired in a min wage job in which I have no previous experience. I will then 'earn while I learn'. At the Alberta min wage of $9.95/hr. I expect that my hrs of employ and job duties will be clearly outlined for me by my employer/supervisor; "This is what we pay. This is what we expect you to do. No less. Take it or leave it"!
So that is an employer you do not want to work for, and you move on to the next. If there is no negotiation possible, especially with all the experience you have in the work force... You can expect not to be treated like a 16 year old.
$1:
Or.... I can take/keep the job that pays the most $$$, keep my personal expenses to a bare min, and then get my ass down to the nearest (240 km round trip) community college to learn a new skill set which I can put to use for the foreseeable future.. Day classes/night classes, Depends on what my new schedule involves. A 'grind' in this situation would be an understatement, but I have the 'want to' so I will find a way to make it work for me!
And how are you going to pay for that? Your minimum wage job is not enough to finance it.
Also, with your rent/mortgage/cost of living with 3 kids is more than $400/wk, you are rather f*cked, aren't you.
MANY people are rather f*cked. Don't come up with 'then don't have kids', they had them before dad was killed in a car crash on black ice/left for his mistress and child support doesn't cover it/was injured and can never work anymore and needs you to take care of him too/mom died giving birth/whatever nasty situation you can think of
Brenda @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:24 pm
Public_Domain Public_Domain:
"Getting paid minimum wage is like your employer saying 'I would pay you less, buuuut, legally, I can't.'" - Some comedian
Exactly. "We really want you to work for free, but those idiots abolished slavery."
Now for the 'capitalists' to understand that...
Public_Domain @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:31 pm
ShepherdsDog @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:53 pm
a degree is required.....BS a certificate from a food services program at a community college yes
Yogi @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:10 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Yogi Yogi:
So many different directions I can head in here. So I'll just try to keep my reply simple. This afternoon I was informed that I cannot-for the foreseeable future-continue in my chosen & trained/learned/educated field as it requires a fair amount of sometimes stressful physical activity. Boots already alluded to the amount of time and effort involved in achieving the recognized status 'Skilled Tradesman'.
Yes, I have enough money to meet my day to day expenses, but with money continually going out, and none coming in, slowly my standard of living will decline. I WISH to have more than the 'basics of life' To that end I WISH to remain in the work force. To that end I am facing the very same obstacles faced by those working for minimum wage. I must now focus on developing a new skill-set.
I can apply for and likely be hired in a min wage job in which I have no previous experience. I will then 'earn while I learn'. At the Alberta min wage of $9.95/hr. I expect that my hrs of employ and job duties will be clearly outlined for me by my employer/supervisor; "This is what we pay. This is what we expect you to do. No less. Take it or leave it"! Assuming I accept the job+ gross wage of (for expedience sake) $400.00/wk. I do what I can with that, or because that only takes up 8 hrs out of the day, I can find a second job at the same rate of pay thus doubling my income. Not bad for having no experience in either field! Or.... I can take/keep the job that pays the most $$$, keep my personal expenses to a bare min, and then get my ass down to the nearest (240 km round trip) community college to learn a new skill set which I can put to use for the foreseeable future.. Day classes/night classes, Depends on what my new schedule involves. A 'grind' in this situation would be an understatement, but I have the 'want to' so I will find a way to make it work for me!
Yes, I have enough money to meet my day to day expenses, but with money continually going out, and none coming in, slowly my standard of living will decline. I WISH to have more than the 'basics of life' To that end I WISH to remain in the work force. To that end I am facing the very same obstacles faced by those working for minimum wage. I must now focus on developing a new skill-set.
I can apply for and likely be hired in a min wage job in which I have no previous experience. I will then 'earn while I learn'. At the Alberta min wage of $9.95/hr. I expect that my hrs of employ and job duties will be clearly outlined for me by my employer/supervisor; "This is what we pay. This is what we expect you to do. No less. Take it or leave it"! Assuming I accept the job+ gross wage of (for expedience sake) $400.00/wk. I do what I can with that, or because that only takes up 8 hrs out of the day, I can find a second job at the same rate of pay thus doubling my income. Not bad for having no experience in either field! Or.... I can take/keep the job that pays the most $$$, keep my personal expenses to a bare min, and then get my ass down to the nearest (240 km round trip) community college to learn a new skill set which I can put to use for the foreseeable future.. Day classes/night classes, Depends on what my new schedule involves. A 'grind' in this situation would be an understatement, but I have the 'want to' so I will find a way to make it work for me!
as a skilled tradesman with years of experience couldn`t you get into teaching/supervision and or consultation related to your skill set
I have a head-hunter looking into that aspect for me now, but given that most of these situations involve some physical work also I'm not just going to sit back on my laurels!
Yogi @ Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:16 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Yogi Yogi:
I can apply for and likely be hired in a min wage job in which I have no previous experience. I will then 'earn while I learn'. At the Alberta min wage of $9.95/hr. I expect that my hrs of employ and job duties will be clearly outlined for me by my employer/supervisor; "This is what we pay. This is what we expect you to do. No less. Take it or leave it"!
So that is an employer you do not want to work for, and you move on to the next. If there is no negotiation possible, especially with all the experience you have in the work force... You can expect not to be treated like a 16 year old.
$1:
Or.... I can take/keep the job that pays the most $$$, keep my personal expenses to a bare min, and then get my ass down to the nearest (240 km round trip) community college to learn a new skill set which I can put to use for the foreseeable future.. Day classes/night classes, Depends on what my new schedule involves. A 'grind' in this situation would be an understatement, but I have the 'want to' so I will find a way to make it work for me!
And how are you going to pay for that? Your minimum wage job is not enough to finance it.
Also, with your rent/mortgage/cost of living with 3 kids is more than $400/wk, you are rather f*cked, aren't you.
MANY people are rather f*cked. Don't come up with 'then don't have kids', they had them before dad was killed in a car crash on black ice/left for his mistress and child support doesn't cover it/was injured and can never work anymore and needs you to take care of him too/mom died giving birth/whatever nasty situation you can think of
I still have the same finance options now as I had 'back then'. Student loans, bursaries, govt grants.
To be totally honest, I won't/wouldn't have to rely on any of those as I am covered under 'wage-loss/disability' which affords me the choice of just staying at home and not working & walking over to the post office every 2 weeks and picking up a cheque. I know that I am capable of more than that, and as well, feel that I still have a lot to contribute. I do believe that sentiment falls under the heading 'Self Respect'!
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