How about $60 for all of Toronto?
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:
I'm not interested in joining the pissing contest here. But I just can't let Donny's nonsense stand.
He quoted:
$1:
The purchase price? Ten shillings (equal to 17 cents then, today, adjusted for inflation, about $60).
Canada's courts have recognized that "deals" like the Toronto Purchase were ridiculously inequitable, and a process is in place to negotiate with the federal government in situations like these to right the balance. We Mississaugas recognize that the Toronto Islands are an important part of a great world city in a great country.
Toronto is only worth what it is today because of what white men did with the land. The land my house is built on is worth substantially more than it was when a developer bought it from some farmer several years ago. Does that mean Farmer Brown got screwed?
Of course not.
That's the capitalist system. And that same system is the one that provides Native Canadians with medical care, education, sufficient food, clothing etc. through generous government subsidies.
Me think natives doth protest too much.
If you steal a car and then sup it up, it’s still a stolen car.
ut it.
But if the car is abandoned in the middle on nowhere and no one has used it in years except when a bear sleeps in it then its fair game.
The land natives 'claim' is theres is nothing but a giant bait and switch game to simply grab as much cash from taxpayers as they can. Caledonia proves it
OH OK according to ur warp kinda thinkin..B4 .you came..We were Drunk n abondaoned the lands..the tribes im sure inhabited all the land...like figure it out shit for brains..20,000 yrs weve been here...20,000 YEARS
You have been here...only about 500 years..already the whole known world is in danger.The whole planets had it!!!!!!!
Oh big fucking deal. Its not like any of us alive today stole the land from the natives and its not like any of the natives alive today ever had it to begin with. What do you want? Should we shut down the country we were ALL born in down and move back to the countries our ancestors came from generations and generations ago because your ancestors were here first? Quit crying over spilled milk already. The people of today owe you nothing.
thefactremains thefactremains:
You have been here...only about 500 years..already the whole known world is in danger.The whole planets had it!!!!!!!
And look at what we’ve accomplished. Hey, how’s that c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r and I-n-t-e-r-n-e-t holding up? You can thank Whitey for that!
We dont owe you the land...Either!!!!!!!!
thefactremains thefactremains:
We dont owe you the land...Either!!!!!!!!
Um..I 2nd that
I third that
Topic carried, whatever it was he was talking about ![Confused [?]](./images/smilies/confused.gif)
No but seriously, man. My grandparents were forced out their home and out of their country by war and came to Canada. You don't see my going back there and demanding their property back. At least you still live here.
e-norther e-norther:
No but seriously, man. My grandparents were forced out their home and out of their country by war and came to Canada. You don't see my going back there and demanding their property back. At least you still live here.
Nor do you see Loyalists demanding compensation from American governments for land lost during the Revolution, or victims of brutal mismanagement and patronage under Upper Canadian Canada Corporation carrying on like this current culture of victimization that seems all too prevalent in justthefuckheretains’ life.
Move on…the rest of us did.
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Move on…the rest of us did.
Hope you brought your cheque book because the law is in our favour. You have two choices - drag this all out and spend a trillion dollars settling land claims or settle them all ASAP and spend a tenth of that.
Of course then you would be bitching that the wealth that us natives have is all built on your backs. But wouldn't it feel nice to say you actually had some legal right to the land that Canada is built on?
Most of Canada supports resolving native claims once and for all. Like you have a choice....
About 20 years ago while I was staying on the Dene Tha First Nation reserve I remember a group of men pontificating that if the white man didn’t settle the land claims soon there would be an “Indian war”. The central theme of both elders and residents was that for too long they had been subjugated to swindling, extortion and lies by the white man. Several years ago at a construction trade conference I came across one of the native men who had been party to this group and their thought. He had left the reserve and after some difficult years had managed to build a company in the oil patch employing over 20 people. His perspective had changed completely and similar to Bill Cosby, he felt that his own ethnicity was its own worst enemy. Having fully integrated into Canadian society he feels like a true citizen instead of a quasi-prisoner. He is optimistic for the future of his children and refuses to allow them to participate in any ethnic based diatribe lest they use that as a crutch for failure. I told him he should write a book entitled: White Dad Red Dad; What the Whites teach their children that the Natives Don’t. (Sorry Robert K). My own family parted way from the reserves 5 generations past.
The Anishinabeg, (Mississaugans are their French name) have had ample time since the signing at the Bay of Quinte in 1787, which later evolved into the Toronto purchase, to fully assimilate into what is historically one of the wealthiest and most prosperous regions of Canada. The fact that they mostly have, from their names to their homes to their jobs demonstrates that the welfare mentality runs deep and if the 1000 or so residents can get an extra few bucks……well, land claims by Indians are starting to resemble fender benders where the victim fakes injury to fraud the perpetrators insurance provider. Just because the courts rule in your favour doesn’t make it right.
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Having fully integrated into Canadian society he feels like a true citizen instead of a quasi-prisoner. He is optimistic for the future of his children and refuses to allow them to participate in any ethnic based diatribe lest they use that as a crutch for failure.
It is too bad that we have to give up our identity as people to live up to your standards.
Some people see their skin colour as a crutch and are ashamed of who they really are.
Some people use who they really are as a catapult to reach limits far beyond the reaches of money, skin colour and bigotry.
Prairie boy, it is too bad you are ashamed of your heritage and the accomplishments of your people. If becoming a white person helps you sleep at night then good for you. If you become a white person simply because they tell you white is better the Métis then you have lost. There is no better or worse. Worse is we all become think-alike robots and fail to recognize the beauty in our differences.
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
IPrairie boy, it is too bad you are ashamed of your heritage and the accomplishments of your people. If becoming a white person helps you sleep at night then good for you. If you become a white person simply because they tell you white is better the Métis then you have lost. There is no better or worse. Worse is we all become think-alike robots and fail to recognize the beauty in our differences.
Poetic but unjust. This is a country of immigrants, some recent and others many generations. In the vast majority of cases most have abandoned the histories and cultures of their ancestral lands and assimilated into a newer richer mosaic. Some have tried to remain in ethnic enclaves but eventually the sons and daughters venture out and integrate finding they can achieve far more in a society as an active participant rather than a gilded observer. How can you accuse me of being ashamed with my heritage for being a quintessential Canadian but sanctify the other races in this society through your deliberate omission?
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
IPrairie boy, it is too bad you are ashamed of your heritage and the accomplishments of your people. If becoming a white person helps you sleep at night then good for you. If you become a white person simply because they tell you white is better the Métis then you have lost. There is no better or worse. Worse is we all become think-alike robots and fail to recognize the beauty in our differences.
Poetic but unjust. This is a country of immigrants, some recent and others many generations. In the vast majority of cases most have abandoned the histories and cultures of their ancestral lands and assimilated into a newer richer mosaic. Some have tried to remain in ethnic enclaves but eventually the sons and daughters venture out and integrate finding they can achieve far more in a society as an active participant rather than a gilded observer. How can you accuse me of being ashamed with my heritage for being a quintessential Canadian but sanctify the other races in this society through your deliberate omission?
The people I enjoy the most, and find the most enlightened and friendly are those who know their original languages, keep their traditions, dances, religions and practices.
The most shallow and thoughtless people I know are people who have dismissed all of that and become "Canadian" meaning they drink beer and watch hockey and talk about how great Canada is (when usually they can't even define what CANADIAN means).
If you knew the Mechif language, the Red River Jig and the intimate details of the dreams that Louie Riel had for the Métis people, would you not feel a little connection to your people and what they stand for?
Or are you now a Canadian, and are the dreams of your forefathers lost and forgotten?