How about $60 for all of Toronto?
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grainfedprairieboy @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:07 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
The people I enjoy the most, and find the most enlightened and friendly are those who know their original languages, keep their traditions, dances, religions and practices.
The most shallow and thoughtless people I know are people who have dismissed all of that and become "Canadian" meaning they drink beer and watch hockey and talk about how great Canada is (when usually they can't even define what CANADIAN means).
If you knew the Mechif language, the Red River Jig and the intimate details of the dreams that Louie Riel had for the Métis people, would you not feel a little connection to your people and what they stand for?
The most shallow and thoughtless people I know are people who have dismissed all of that and become "Canadian" meaning they drink beer and watch hockey and talk about how great Canada is (when usually they can't even define what CANADIAN means).
If you knew the Mechif language, the Red River Jig and the intimate details of the dreams that Louie Riel had for the Métis people, would you not feel a little connection to your people and what they stand for?
I have tried to communicate with both you and other prairie Indians in Cree. Though it is poor it is never reciprocated. I have adhered to the language while most "real" Indians have not. Sure I spurn the dream catcher as a cultural icon (invented as a prop by an American writer in the late 1800s in support of a western based story) but I have never abandoned the spirit of the Metis to harmonise the cultures of the west into one.
As for the Mechif language it is too archaic for me, I have enough trouble with crazy Cree. http://members.shaw.ca/tunebook/riverjig.htm
I agree that most Canadians couldn't define their country outside of a few lieberalisms like multiculturalism and tolerance and diversity. It is also not lost on me that aside from hockey, Canadian Tire and Tim Hortons are pretty much all that binds this country. But instead of being the problem why not try being part of the solution? Instead of encouraging state funded apartheid develop a vision for what Canada could be and participate in the change.
In another 50 years the Caucasians will be in a solid minority and the likelihood of the people who inherit this country adhering to a colonial reserve system they feel they have no connection to, or responsibility for, is debatable.
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Or are you now a Canadian, and are the dreams of your forefathers lost and forgotten?
I am an Albertan by birth, a Canadian by choice. The dreams of my forefathers have been achieved, full integration into a society where they are not a second class citizen but one in which their children can reap the rewards of their efforts and have the opportunity to achieve any dream their descendants can conjure.
TheQuietKidd @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:13 pm
$1:
The people I enjoy the most, and find the most enlightened and friendly are those who know their original languages, keep their traditions, dances, religions and practices.
The most shallow and thoughtless people I know are people who have dismissed all of that and become "Canadian" meaning they drink beer and watch hockey and talk about how great Canada is (when usually they can't even define what CANADIAN means).
The most shallow and thoughtless people I know are people who have dismissed all of that and become "Canadian" meaning they drink beer and watch hockey and talk about how great Canada is (when usually they can't even define what CANADIAN means).
So what you're saying is that one must either embrace their families original culture or that which we stereotypically attribute to canadians??
I sit at home, watch the hockey game, have a beer. I also have wear my kilt to formal events, have dinner at the Scottish Club every month and keep in close contact with my relatives in Scoland.
I attended a Macedonian/Scottish wedding not too long ago, there I also danced the traditional Mecedonian dances and listened to their music.
My neighbours (who've been in canada for a whole three years) still predominantly speak their native tongue at home, yet this July First they were out waving one of the biggest personal flags I've ever seen.
Why do we have to be one or the other? Why don't you try being a Canadian who embraces his forefathers culture(s) and that of others around you.
Donny_Brasco @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:20 pm
TheQuietKidd TheQuietKidd:
So what you're saying is that one must either embrace their families original culture or that which we stereotypically attribute to canadians??
Why do we have to be one or the other? Why don't you try being a Canadian who embraces his forefathers culture(s) and that of others around you.
No, what I'm saying is that we can all be Canadians yet maintain our identity as Indians or Scots or Somalis or whatever.
thefactremains @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:57 pm
their home and out of their country by war and came to Canada. War and Agreements...are 2 totally different things...
thefactremains @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:04 pm
The last 2 sentences are mine
thefactremains @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:05 pm
here ill scroll back of what he stated
thefactremains @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:07 pm
e-norther e-norther:
No but seriously, man. My grandparents were forced out their home and out of their country by war and came to Canada. You don't see my going back there and demanding their property back. At least you still live here.
.............I fully understand that...but with all do respect..War n agreements are totally different things
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:29 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
About 20 years ago while I was staying on the Dene Tha First Nation reserve I remember a group of men pontificating that if the white man didn’t settle the land claims soon there would be an “Indian war”. The central theme of both elders and residents was that for too long they had been subjugated to swindling, extortion and lies by the white man. Several years ago at a construction trade conference I came across one of the native men who had been party to this group and their thought. He had left the reserve and after some difficult years had managed to build a company in the oil patch employing over 20 people. His perspective had changed completely and similar to Bill Cosby, he felt that his own ethnicity was its own worst enemy. Having fully integrated into Canadian society he feels like a true citizen instead of a quasi-prisoner. He is optimistic for the future of his children and refuses to allow them to participate in any ethnic based diatribe lest they use that as a crutch for failure. I told him he should write a book entitled: White Dad Red Dad; What the Whites teach their children that the Natives Don’t. (Sorry Robert K). My own family parted way from the reserves 5 generations past.
The Anishinabeg, (Mississaugans are their French name) have had ample time since the signing at the Bay of Quinte in 1787, which later evolved into the Toronto purchase, to fully assimilate into what is historically one of the wealthiest and most prosperous regions of Canada. The fact that they mostly have, from their names to their homes to their jobs demonstrates that the welfare mentality runs deep and if the 1000 or so residents can get an extra few bucks……well, land claims by Indians are starting to resemble fender benders where the victim fakes injury to fraud the perpetrators insurance provider. Just because the courts rule in your favour doesn’t make it right.
The Anishinabeg, (Mississaugans are their French name) have had ample time since the signing at the Bay of Quinte in 1787, which later evolved into the Toronto purchase, to fully assimilate into what is historically one of the wealthiest and most prosperous regions of Canada. The fact that they mostly have, from their names to their homes to their jobs demonstrates that the welfare mentality runs deep and if the 1000 or so residents can get an extra few bucks……well, land claims by Indians are starting to resemble fender benders where the victim fakes injury to fraud the perpetrators insurance provider. Just because the courts rule in your favour doesn’t make it right.
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Outstanding post
Mustang1 @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:06 am
Firstly, Donny my boy, courts/judges are infallible. Ahem…appellate courts…ahem. Secondly, you seem to hide behind the white man’s legal system when you feel it benefits you, but then why remain silent on the fragrant lawbreakers in Caledonia? You’re a hypocrite, and an obvious one.
Thirdly, I noticed you cowardly ditched the first part of my post that dealt with historical realities and accepting past transgressions as such: PAST transgressions. I didn’t think you or your little bigoted friend could handle that, and you proved me right. Again.
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Of course then you would be bitching that the wealth that us natives have is all built on your backs. But wouldn't it feel nice to say you actually had some legal right to the land that Canada is built on?
How did Canada build its wealth on your backs?!?!?!? This ought to be good for shits and giggles – let’s see you demonstrate the historical reality of that little assertion. And I’ll be waiting for the tangible, verifiable and indisputable evidence that supports your bogus agenda.
Oh, and I do have a legal right to the land I’m on. You come try to take it from me.
$1:
“Most of Canada supports resolving native claims once and for all. Like you have a choice....”
Really? And don’t assume that means either in your favour or for cotemporary market value determined in monetary payouts. You may have to suck that up and lose the culture of victimization like the rest of us.
Mustang1 @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:07 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
About 20 years ago while I was staying on the Dene Tha First Nation reserve I remember a group of men pontificating that if the white man didn’t settle the land claims soon there would be an “Indian war”. The central theme of both elders and residents was that for too long they had been subjugated to swindling, extortion and lies by the white man. Several years ago at a construction trade conference I came across one of the native men who had been party to this group and their thought. He had left the reserve and after some difficult years had managed to build a company in the oil patch employing over 20 people. His perspective had changed completely and similar to Bill Cosby, he felt that his own ethnicity was its own worst enemy. Having fully integrated into Canadian society he feels like a true citizen instead of a quasi-prisoner. He is optimistic for the future of his children and refuses to allow them to participate in any ethnic based diatribe lest they use that as a crutch for failure. I told him he should write a book entitled: White Dad Red Dad; What the Whites teach their children that the Natives Don’t. (Sorry Robert K). My own family parted way from the reserves 5 generations past.
The Anishinabeg, (Mississaugans are their French name) have had ample time since the signing at the Bay of Quinte in 1787, which later evolved into the Toronto purchase, to fully assimilate into what is historically one of the wealthiest and most prosperous regions of Canada. The fact that they mostly have, from their names to their homes to their jobs demonstrates that the welfare mentality runs deep and if the 1000 or so residents can get an extra few bucks……well, land claims by Indians are starting to resemble fender benders where the victim fakes injury to fraud the perpetrators insurance provider. Just because the courts rule in your favour doesn’t make it right.
The Anishinabeg, (Mississaugans are their French name) have had ample time since the signing at the Bay of Quinte in 1787, which later evolved into the Toronto purchase, to fully assimilate into what is historically one of the wealthiest and most prosperous regions of Canada. The fact that they mostly have, from their names to their homes to their jobs demonstrates that the welfare mentality runs deep and if the 1000 or so residents can get an extra few bucks……well, land claims by Indians are starting to resemble fender benders where the victim fakes injury to fraud the perpetrators insurance provider. Just because the courts rule in your favour doesn’t make it right.
Outstanding post
Nice post.
thefactremains @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:13 am
AGREEMENTS..TAHTS ALL WE HAVE NOW.DO THE MATH.YOU GREEDY BASTARDS
thefactremains @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:15 am
I MEAN BASTARD..<<<<<SINGULAR
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:17 am
thefactremains thefactremains:
AGREEMENTS..TAHTS ALL WE HAVE NOW.DO THE MATH.YOU GREEDY BASTARDS
Mr Capslock seems to be upset.
How do you expect Taxpayers to pay for some 'agreement', when if the lobbyists for the NAtive Agenda dont get their way all we'll see is another and another and another Caledonia.
Maybe this time the 'peaceful natives' will succeed in killing cop.
Donny_Brasco @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:18 am
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Firstly, Donny my boy, courts/judges are infallible. Ahem…appellate courts…ahem. Secondly, you seem to hide behind the white man’s legal system when you feel it benefits you, but then why remain silent on the fragrant lawbreakers in Caledonia? You’re a hypocrite, and an obvious one.
A) As many people can attest to I condemn the violence in Caledonia (for the sixth time).
B) The land claims processes are in place to save you the taxpayer the legal costs of fighting every single case in court. There in no doubt that Canadians violated their own laws when stealing land from Natives, hundreds of times over.
Donny_Brasco @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:21 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
thefactremains thefactremains:
AGREEMENTS..TAHTS ALL WE HAVE NOW.DO THE MATH.YOU GREEDY BASTARDS
Mr Capslock seems to be upset.
How do you expect Taxpayers to pay for some 'agreement', when if the lobbyists for the NAtive Agenda dont get their way all we'll see is another and another and another Caledonia.
Maybe you should not be making agreements that you cannot (or will not) pay for.
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