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Scape @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:59 pm

And when one gets shot and killed, then send in the army? Why wasn't this settled before it came to the apex in the 1st place?

   



Blue_Nose @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:00 pm

hamiltonguyo hamiltonguyo:
REPLACE THE OPP THEY ARE INCOMPETENT AND INEFFECTIVE
So you're not down with OPP?

   



Blue_Nose @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:00 pm

hamiltonguyo hamiltonguyo:
REPLACE THE OPP THEY ARE INCOMPETENT AND INEFFECTIVE
So you're not down with OPP?

   



Tricks @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:01 pm

hamiltonguyo hamiltonguyo:
Tricks Tricks:
Sending in the army will not solve anything. I would not argue with sending in the RCMP though. Get the cops in there, and get them to do their job.


Well if the RCMP decides not to do it as well.

What other choice is there?
Lets hope it doesn't come to that....

   



ShepherdsDog @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:10 pm

Well the blockade would end pretty soon if the authorities and local residents prevented further food and water getting into the encampment.

   



Tricks @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:12 pm

I said that at the beginning. Cut off supplies. Fight a war of wills, not strength.

   



hamiltonguyo @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:20 pm

Cut off supply and burn their sotrehouse down.

The police know EXACTLY where it is.

I saw it on tv its a huge wooden building with shitloads of food.

If your going to cut off food burn it down too.

And no I'm not down with the OPP

they refuse to enforce a court order which they are obligated to do

then the refuse to keep a highway open when they can just walk up and arrest the blockaders

then when a resident tries to do the job they are supposed to do they arrest him.

so no I am not down with the OPP

or at least the people running the show in Caledonia...

   



ShepherdsDog @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:54 pm

When the police do move on the illegal squatters, there needs to be complete camera coverage(preferably non media). That way everyone will see who the violent racists really are. Most of the squatters will likely scream police brutality, when they're the ones kicking, punching, swinging clubs and hurling racial epithets. And yes, having worked in a drunk tank on a reserve I can speak from experience.

   



Scape @ Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:00 pm

Way too late for that

$1:
The people of Six Nations have been duped. What started out as a mild protest has turned ugly due to outsider influence. The outsiders have their own agendas and don't care about Six Nations, New Credit or any other native band.

The consequences undo all the good from the past in community relations. Caledonia, Cayuga, Hagersville, Six Nations and New Credit have gotten on well over the last two centuries. The end result of this will be divisive and resentment within the communities will grow.

One has to ask these questions:

If no one wants violence, why is the Warriors Society in Caledonia?

Who invited them?

Why do the natives in news videos and photos cover their faces?

Who are they hiding from?

No one wins if violence breaks out. Peaceful protest and promotion of understanding and education will enhance their cause. Greenspace does not need to be eaten up with residential expansion within that community. Violence only promotes anguish and heartbreak. They should send the outsiders away and not let those outsiders represent local interests.


Everyone has made up their minds by this point, now we only have to wait for the shooting to begin.

   



MissT @ Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:06 am

Six nations land talks buoy Ontario minister
"Goodwill" created, province says, in bid to defuse dispute
Globe and Mail 24 April 2006


I think this is good news, and I hope the effort is genuine on all sides. My strategy now, if I were part of the protest, would be to recognise that this whole thing has started to acheive at least one objective, which is to put enough media and political pressure for their to be genuine attempts at talks and progress, and that the issue is no longer being ignored or stalled.

As a gesture of genuine willingness to come to an arrangement between the Six Nations, the local community, the government and the contractors, I would concede some small aspect of the blockade, but NOT the whole thing for now. Because usually once the other side "enters into negotiations" in order to make you stop your action, they just stall the process and it becomes a joke. You need to keep some kind of leverage, but also do your utmost to show that you do not bear any malice to others. If the protesters demonstrate their willingness to de-escalate the situation, then the OPP and everyone else can and should too, and the RCMP or CF need not get involved.

In the negotiations, the government really needs to make some serious efforts to recognise, address and redress what the protesters are saying. And the government needs to sort it out with the developers too, who perhaps didn't realise that they were buying land whose ownership was controversial.

Then, with any luck, we won't get the situation you're predicting Scape. This is what I would hope for, because that is the only way I see the situation (both locally and the bigger long-term picture) being resolved.

   



Donny_Brasco @ Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:32 am

Its a good thing that the cops keep the white folks out of there.

If they let them in there someone will get killed.

And if you have seen the footage from when the white people attacked the elders, women and children at Oka you know that (some) white folks don't care who they try to massacre.

You can bet your ass that the Mohawk men will not allow that to happen again.


Rocks at Whiskey Trench

   



DerbyX @ Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:40 am

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Its a good thing that the cops keep the white folks out of there.

If they let them in there someone will get killed.

And if you have seen the footage from when the white people attacked the elders, women and children at Oka you know that (some) white folks don't care who they try to massacre.

You can bet your ass that the Mohawk men will not allow that to happen again.


Rocks at Whiskey Trench


This is how you propose to handle this? Threatening people who are being affected by the native protest? Do you honestly think that killing people who want their lives back will somehow make your claim more legatimite?

Sooner or later you are going to push tolerent people too far and alienating people who may be sympathetic is a sure way to ensure you lose. The natives have everything they need to suceed in life but the sad fact is that most simply choose to live the way they do and lay all the blame on the "white folk". I am not responsible for your life and once you start taking responsibility for your own lives then you will start to lead a better life.

   



IcedCap @ Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:57 am

I think the Caledonians should find an isolated reserve and blockade the only road in, according to the Six Nations protestors that's the way your supposed to settle disputes in democratic societies

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:02 am

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:
...they've been stalked by Mohawks outside their house, and had vandalism against their property...


In several states in the USA now such acts would be grounds for killing Mohawks.

A terrorist is a terrorist.

And I prefer dead terrorists.

   



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