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To bad you don't read French but I will do my best to explain my personal reason for what it's worth.

First I don't identify myself as a Canadian. Which is a big problem and I have a strong identity as a Québecois so in consequence I have no interest in building the Canadian federation. But I have a strong understanding of the importance of politics in our life. Right now In my opinion The Québec nation need to go forward and built is country according to it's identity. Maybe you wont understand but that normal because you are a Canadian and you live in Canada.

   

Your posts seem fine, Tricks. I wouldn’t listen to our resident Separatist parrot as he proved himself quite the ignoramus when I last beat him like a rented mule. Keep up the good work! It’s not as though it takes a concerted effort to school these clowns

Hey, where’s Trick’s “Federalist” medal?!?!?

   

Your location says you live in quebec. I don't want quebec to leave. I consider quebec part of canada, therfore you are a canadian as well. Quebec is not a nation yet, and i doubt it ever will be.The quebec nation cannot build its identity. Want to know why? Because it's identity is Canada. You leave Canada, you don't have an identity. You will have no place in the world, and you will flop around like a fish out of water. This doesn't really matter, because as I said about I doubt quebec will ever seperate, so have fun not being a Canadian while being a canadian and tring to explain

Thanks for the encouragement mustang

   

The problem is that your country would be based on something that is allready recognized in the rest of Canada. The french language is an official language in this country, we teach all school childern french to a certain age, and yet Quebec seperatists claim that they have no identity. You have an identity, you are Canadians as well as Quebecquios. It amazes me that a people would wish to found and build a country based solely on a precived language difference. And before you bring up the fact that I can't speak french in a bi-lingual society, there are a good number of people in both New Brunswick and Quebec itself that don't speak English.

You want a good argument for not seperating? How about Economics? If Quebec seperated its only real money base would be it's people. You have no basis for a currency, and if you did it would be worth about the same as the Lira. The problem would be is that people would be payed 20 lira an hour in Quebec, and there it might be good money but as soon as you left the country it would be worthless.

Don't choose poverty, choose Canada my friend. I would hate to see bread lines in such a great and noble province, and it wouldn't be right for our french brothers to be doing it.

   

While I think the a US type Federation would be more succesful and a fair compermise, such a system would include:

An elected Lietenant-Governor. In Quebec known as a Gouverneur*, in First nations states perhaps Chief. A cabiniet made up of ministers in Quebec these could be known as intendants*.

A Legislative or National Assembly.

A state millitia made up of state residents, who could assist law enforcemtn in times of emergency. This unit would have a unique uniform, traditions and be commanded by the Lieutenant-Governor. This unit could be added tot he Canadian Forces Reserve durring times of war at the request of the Governor General or Parlement, pending the approval of the Lietenant-Goverernor.

The right of states to creat laws within the confines of the Constitution, based on tradional legal systems such as Comon Law, civil law, or tribal traditions.

I belive this would permit states with unique identadies and traditions while allowing us to be proud Canadians. Canada would be clensed of things which divide us and enphasis placed on things which unite us.

* official titles of New France officials of the French Regime

   

C'mon thats just ridiculous tricks. Our national identity is probably more solid than those of many Canadian who can only define there Canadian identity by how different they are from American. Again you have a very narrow perspective of thing (me too I was a young once). If you have the chance to join an organization like Canada world youth take it. It might help you see the bigger picture. And it's fun

Hey Mustang1 how do you feel having to see 60 bloc MP in the next Parliament enjoy. Maybe even a Bloc MP in Gatineau right across the Ottawa river

Can you imagine in order to get notice Harper had to promise the provincial government of Québec a seat on international forum to get any kind of attention. Of course I don't buy it for a second but some Québec Federalist wont be able to take it when he brake is promise. Which will lead to even more alienation

If Quebecer keep sending Bloc MP in Parliament it is because we are not interested in Canada anymore. So move on.

   

I'm not sure what Harper said about Quebec in international assemblies, but I know that Alberta is attenting the NAFTA suit on the US for closing the border durring BSE. I don't see any reason for a province not to appear before the international community if it is in that provinces interests.

   

I need the help from some americans, ask them what the canadian identity is. Ask a brit what our identity is. They will not say "just like america." What is your national identity? French that are looked down upon by the french. I don't want federalist, fuck, normal quebequois to have to go through the hell of seperating from Canada. It's so bloody obvious you would have no chance, it is rediculous. You would have no economy. No money. No military. No seat in the UN. No friends. No allies. Nothing. How the hell is a country supposed to survive with that.....especially at this time. I'm sorry, but if quebec sperates....then you and all of quebec will be in serious SHIAT.

   

not exactically diplomatic.

   

VicVega wrote

No it is not. French Canadian are reconise in the Canadian Constitution.

I dont see myself as a Canadian and I'm certanly not french I speak french. Im a Quebecois that's my identity.
A French Canadian see himself as a minority in it's country and behave accordingly. A Québecois see himself as a majority in it's nation and behave accordingly. Do you understand? This stuff can be very abstact an can be quite difficult to explain.

   

You seem to be pretty optimistic for all your points of view. However, do I need to remember you that you lost the first 2 rounds ?

Optimistic that the federal government won't work with Harper and that he will obviously break his promises (that, FYI, were always part of his platform, not only an election candy, whatever you try to "believe").

I have a question for you, let's say things don't go like in your utopist plan/world (like it happened so far, btw), what would you do if Harper succeeds and that the separatists lose their "soft separatists" branch, falling to maybe 30-35% of support ?

I also wonder how Duceppe will vote. Voting with the conservatives on decentralization plan would make the Bloc obsolete, but would prove he "works" for the Quebec. Or will he vote against and vote like always for "la cause", thus proving he doesn't work FOR Quebecers but against a working Quebec and for his little elitist buddies who want to rule their little socialist republic.

   

It isn't abstract. It is just you trying to justify why you want to seperate. It isn't working. You say you are qubecois? Well qubecois live in quebec...hence the name. Do you know where Quebec is located? Thats right in Canada. See, someone from texas can be a texan, but he is still american. I am ontarian. I am Canadian. Is that too simple for you?

   

Tricks wrote

We do have an economy.
We do have money
We will get our own military After all why not.
We will get a seat at the UN
We already have allies.

Look Tricks some of the best Country in the world have a smaller or equivalant GDP than Québec and less population and ressource. Sometime your argument are juste to simple.

   

An accord would have to be passed but it would identify Canda as a Confederation of Soverign States, each a disinct society, with it's unique traditions and customs, united in the name of freedom, democracy, and a shared desiniy of peace and political stability.

   

Money/economy: Not to support a country the size of quebec. You said, there are coutries that are SMALLER then quebec that survive. Quebec is a large territory.

Military? Ha, thats a laugh. There are always going to be CANADIAN quebecois that will fight. People like you, you wont. Just like quebec didn't fight in ww1

A seat in the UN. I doubt you will.

What allies? Canada?

   

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