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Could a soverign Quebec play a role in a Federalist Republic

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VicVega @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:02 pm

Elvis Elvis:
VicVega wrote
$1:
The problem is that your country would be based on something that is allready recognized in the rest of Canada. The french language is an official language in this country,

No it is not. French Canadian are reconise in the Canadian Constitution.

I dont see myself as a Canadian and I'm certanly not french I speak french. Im a Quebecois that's my identity.
A French Canadian see himself as a minority in it's country and behave accordingly. A Québecois see himself as a majority in it's nation and behave accordingly. Do you understand? This stuff can be very abstact an can be quite difficult to explain.


Let me assure you my Quebecuois firend, I understand the abstract thinking just fine. I understand what it is like to be a minority, and compared to in the west you my friend are not the minority. Your self rightousness because you are one of the origional members of confederation, because you speak french, because you see yourself picked on by the rest of Canada, as a poor little puppy. Let me be the first to assure you that by yourselfs you would be a sad lot of reugees with people spilling across the boarders from Gatineau and Hull into this country, a people who may have a strong national identity(at 50% + 1 vote I hardley doubt that will be the case), but no economy to back it up. Most major interantional bussiness fled Montreal the first time the referendum came up, if it happens again, win or lose (depending on your point of view), the hustling, bustling Montreal bussiness market will be destroyed. Now why don't you all stop being so fucking selfish, and try to work with the rest of us to try and find a solution to the problems that face us all instead of paving the way for this country to destroyed?

Oh and by the way, people don't vote for the Bloq because they are in favour of seperation, they vote that way because such a large number of MPs who are looking out soley for Quebec, is very appealing to Quebecers. If seperation was truely the reason people vote for them, why is that when the Bloq held 57 seats, and held a referendum, the answer was still NON?

   



Knoss @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:08 pm

$1:
Oh and by the way, people don't vote for the Bloq because they are in favour of seperation, they vote that way because such a large number of MPs who are looking out soley for Quebec, is very appealing to Quebecers.


I must agree Duccepe said the bloc would influence Candian policy for Quebec but this contradicts his position of Quebec out no compermise.

   



Numure @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:37 pm

Tricks Tricks:
Money/economy: Not to support a country the size of quebec. You said, there are coutries that are SMALLER then quebec that survive. Quebec is a large territory.


Our total GDP is 230 Billion$. 1/5 of Canada's total GDP.

Tricks Tricks:
Military? Ha, thats a laugh. There are always going to be CANADIAN quebecois that will fight. People like you, you wont. Just like quebec didn't fight in ww1


Lmao Canadian Québécois... That's a laugh. Québec includes all its residents. We opposed the war because it was simply an imperialist European War. We wernt intrested in spilling our blood for either Britain or France. while Canada was in its Nation Building Stages. And we have, in a large majority, always been opposed to war. We will have a military, like any country does. I'm sure most of the Québec Military members that are seperatists would love to be apart of it.

Either way, your in no position to judge. You know absolutly nothing about the average Québécois and what goes about in this province.

Tricks Tricks:
A seat in the UN. I doubt you will.


You seem to fail to understand what the UN is. As you fail to understand quite alot, as the child you are.

Tricks Tricks:
What allies? Canada?


I don't, not like Québec hasnt had its own adventures in Internationnal Affairs since the 70's independant from Canada. I guess, you ignored that, right?

   



Numure @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:45 pm

Tricks Tricks:
I need the help from some americans, ask them what the canadian identity is. Ask a brit what our identity is. They will not say "just like america." What is your national identity? French that are looked down upon by the french. I don't want federalist, fuck, normal quebequois to have to go through the hell of seperating from Canada. It's so bloody obvious you would have no chance, it is rediculous. You would have no economy. No money. No military. No seat in the UN. No friends. No allies. Nothing. How the hell is a country supposed to survive with that.....especially at this time. I'm sorry, but if quebec sperates....then you and all of quebec will be in serious SHIAT.


Québec, is a Nation. Accept it or not, that's your choice. But the concept of the Québec Nation is without any doubt, accepted between all Québécois, Federalists or not. The only ones that refuse to accept this are Canadians. And the longer you continue to do this, well, the more momentum you give us. That little fact, is the main reason we never signed the constitution. Even with Federalists Government in the National Assemble.

Go read up what the word Nation means, before spouting that the Québécois People arnt a Nation.

On another note, Canadians do not have an identity. This is a common known fact in the Social-Political circle of this country. Your a people in search of one, and as of yet, the only way you can define it, is as anti-americanism. You eat, interact, watch/listen/play/talk the same language, music, movies, tv shows and sports as them but do not accept it.

A unique Canadian identity, is as of yet, non-existent.

   



Knoss @ Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:00 pm

I belive Canada has an identiry we have great musicians like Randy Bachman, Valdy, Diamond Joe White. We have hockey, every small town in Saskatchewan scrimps and saves to fund the rink, Montana people from towns with 1000+ pop come here to play. We have beer!! (see save the endangered stubby)

[web]http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=11221[/web]

We have the mountie. Everyone world over recognizes the mountie as Canadian. (see RCMP uniforms)

[web]http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=11222[/web]

lets focus on what we have in common and work to develope a system which works for the French nation, Accadian nation, Innuit nation, cree nation, and all the distinct nations of Canada

   



Poisson @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:34 am

Tricks Tricks:
Money/economy: Not to support a country the size of quebec. You said, there are coutries that are SMALLER then quebec that survive. Québec is a large territory.

Its population is almost situated in the Saint Lawrence Valley, and most of the territory is unspoiled and undeveloped, just like Canada.

   



Elvis @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:55 am

Knoss and vice vega make an effort to understand this the French nation do not exist in Canada! Over the last 400 year we have forge our own identity. do you understand?

And Québec will be a successful Little nation of 7.5 million. Like many other like Sweden, Iceland, Norwegian ........ who are all BTW social democracy and are all on top of the Human development index chart. Sometime yours comment only show how ignorant you guys are about the subject and your arrogance and superiority complex is just plain annoying.

   



maple_leaf1 @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:26 am

Numure Numure:

Québec, is a Nation. Accept it or not, that's your choice. But the concept of the Québec Nation is without any doubt, accepted between all Québécois, Federalists or not. The only ones that refuse to accept this are Canadians.


:lol: The only ones who recognize Quebec as a nation are those who want to be part of a sovereign Quebec...and those who try to suck up to seperatists. :lol:

Quebecers do not form a nation. They are Canadians who speak frech. Accept it and get over it. You'll never win. Could Quebec seperate some day? Maybe.....But it won't win.

   



Numure @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:31 am

maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:
Numure Numure:

Québec, is a Nation. Accept it or not, that's your choice. But the concept of the Québec Nation is without any doubt, accepted between all Québécois, Federalists or not. The only ones that refuse to accept this are Canadians.


:lol: The only ones who recognize Quebec as a nation are those who want to be part of a sovereign Quebec...and those who try to suck up to seperatists. :lol:

Quebecers do not form a nation. They are Canadians who speak frech. Accept it and get over it. You'll never win. Could Quebec seperate some day? Maybe.....But it won't win.


La, tu viens d'avouer que tu ne viens pas du Québec. Et cela pour vrai. Tu n'est pas pas Québécois. Tu ne t'associe pas mais pas du tout avec les Fédéralists du Québec. Tout les Québécois et Québécoise croit que nous formons une Nation. Une Nation ne veux pas dire un pays.


I don't know where the hell you come from, but not from here.

   



Elvis @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:47 am

Maple1 tu est un cas extraordinaire mon amis. Et un Canadien inconditionnel. En passant croit tu toujours qu'en divisant le vote fédéralist dans Gatineau que le Conservateur va Gagné? Prediction au Québec

   



maple_leaf1 @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:12 am

Numure Numure:
maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:
Numure Numure:

Québec, is a Nation. Accept it or not, that's your choice. But the concept of the Québec Nation is without any doubt, accepted between all Québécois, Federalists or not. The only ones that refuse to accept this are Canadians.


:lol: The only ones who recognize Quebec as a nation are those who want to be part of a sovereign Quebec...and those who try to suck up to seperatists. :lol:

Quebecers do not form a nation. They are Canadians who speak frech. Accept it and get over it. You'll never win. Could Quebec seperate some day? Maybe.....But it won't win.


La, tu viens d'avouer que tu ne viens pas du Québec. Et cela pour vrai. Tu n'est pas pas Québécois. Tu ne t'associe pas mais pas du tout avec les Fédéralists du Québec. Tout les Québécois et Québécoise croit que nous formons une Nation. Une Nation ne veux pas dire un pays.


I don't know where the hell you come from, but not from here.


Yeah...shut up! I don't need to prove nothing to you. And I don't have inferiority complexes like you and Elvis. I'm as comfortable in french AND in english environments. I'm as comfortable in BC as I am in Quebec. I don't fear everyone is staring at me and talking about me when I go out of my province and identify myself as a Quebecer.

Like the quote says: Let us be English...Let us be French. But most importantly, let us be Canadian!

   



maple_leaf1 @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:14 am

Elvis Elvis:
Maple1 tu est un cas extraordinaire mon amis. Et un Canadien inconditionnel. En passant croit tu toujours qu'en divisant le vote fédéralist dans Gatineau que le Conservateur va Gagné? Prediction au Québec


I don't fear vote division....Should the Bloc win because 25% of us chose to vote Liberal, 25% chose the Conservatives and the rest Bloc...so be it. I vote based on my beliefs....Not on fear.

   



Numure @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:07 am

maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:
Numure Numure:
maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:
Numure Numure:

Québec, is a Nation. Accept it or not, that's your choice. But the concept of the Québec Nation is without any doubt, accepted between all Québécois, Federalists or not. The only ones that refuse to accept this are Canadians.


:lol: The only ones who recognize Quebec as a nation are those who want to be part of a sovereign Quebec...and those who try to suck up to seperatists. :lol:

Quebecers do not form a nation. They are Canadians who speak frech. Accept it and get over it. You'll never win. Could Quebec seperate some day? Maybe.....But it won't win.


La, tu viens d'avouer que tu ne viens pas du Québec. Et cela pour vrai. Tu n'est pas pas Québécois. Tu ne t'associe pas mais pas du tout avec les Fédéralists du Québec. Tout les Québécois et Québécoise croit que nous formons une Nation. Une Nation ne veux pas dire un pays.


I don't know where the hell you come from, but not from here.


Yeah...shut up! I don't need to prove nothing to you. And I don't have inferiority complexes like you and Elvis. I'm as comfortable in french AND in english environments. I'm as comfortable in BC as I am in Quebec. I don't fear everyone is staring at me and talking about me when I go out of my province and identify myself as a Quebecer.

Like the quote says: Let us be English...Let us be French. But most importantly, let us be Canadian!


Fine, that's your choice. Just don'T go sayiung only Souvrainists think Québec is a Nation. Because that is, an outright lie.

I myself, as a Québécois Souvrainist, don't have an inferiority complexe. Does few Québécois that don't think we form our own Nation (Doesnt mean a Country) are the ones that do. And few, you are.

   



Poisson @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:52 pm

Maple Leaf

You should read L'Actualité latest edition. Just go to the part where it said "Le Canada s'en fout" and you'll see a majority (3/4) of Quebeckers aren't proud to be Canadians.

That has to include many federalists. I know a few federalists that do consider themselves Quebeckers.

   



maple_leaf1 @ Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:51 pm

Poisson Poisson:
Maple Leaf

You should read L'Actualité latest edition. Just go to the part where it said "Le Canada s'en fout" and you'll see a majority (3/4) of Quebeckers aren't proud to be Canadians.

That has to include many federalists. I know a few federalists that do consider themselves Quebeckers.


So? There's probably alot of Canadians from across the country who aren't proud to be Canadians right now, as a result of all the scnadals that have been happening lately. That's a trick question/statement. My dad, who is a strong supporter of Canadian unity (and also a Quebecer/born and raised) is not proud of his country right now. Does it mean he wants to seperate? Absolutely not! He wants a change....a positive change for the country to gain back what it has lost.

   



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